Lets discuss the potential of what is the Democratic Republic of Congo

[Poitier]

Intra-African trade needs to be the priority of African elite.

I see this and get sick First 'Silk Road' train arrives in Tehran from China

 

[Red Shield]

Nigerians actively choose to not divest from oil... they could've diversified a long time ago but the elite don't care to.

They really expect oil to go back up in price. I'm not seeing it right now, unless some real shyt pops off in the middle east. I would expect OIL to drop even further.


I'm really rootin for Nigeria tho..

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Intra-African trade needs to be the priority of African elite.

I see this and get sick First 'Silk Road' train arrives in Tehran from China

To get on track, particularly for the Congo. The Congo is lucky that it's big enough for its products to go both towards the Indian Ocean (if railways and other networks were functional) and the Atlantic with greater ease than say Ethiopia or Morocco.

 

[Red Shield]

You mean the same Portugal that is begging Angola and Brazil to get them out of their debt?

Like I said Angola is not controlled by the west. 23 year civil war...

Influence and control are two different things breh. You said influence

Of course Portugal doesn't control Angola. Hell once portugal's empire ended back in the day, that was a wrap for it. shyt is "I think this might be in south america" "can't find unless pointed out on a map" status now.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Influence and control are two different things breh. You said influence

Of course Portugal doesn't control Angola. Hell once portugal's empire ended back in the day, that was a wrap for it. shyt is "I think this might be in south america" "can't find unless pointed out on a map" status now.

You know what I mean. Angola is NOT under Portugals thumb nor is Angola a puppet/proxy for Portugal.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Intra-African trade needs to be the priority of African elite.

I see this and get sick First 'Silk Road' train arrives in Tehran from China

Exactly instead of some mythical talk some Africa as one country.

 

[Red Shield]

You know what I mean. Angola is NOT under Portugals thumb nor is Angola a puppet/proxy for Portugal.

Yea now that you explained it.

 

[Redeem87]

It's a long story but I'll be brief and simplistic. I recommend you read Gerard Prunier's account of the Great War of Central Africa.

Rwanda and Uganda (with other countries) have long interfered in the Congo.

After the Rwanda Genocide, over a million Hutu fled into the Congo to avoid being under the control of the Tutsi rebels who reconquered Rwanda. Mobutu thought he could use these refugees to his advantage but eventually Rwanda got fed up. Uganda had scores to settle with Mobutu and aided the Rwandan rebels who retook their country. Uganda, Rwanda sent their soldiers and allied militias into the Congo to conquer it.

Mobutu fled the country and died a year later. The replacement that Uganda and Rwanda placed in charge of the country rebelled against their influence and restarted the war. Other countries such as Angola, Zimbabwe and even Chad joined the fighting. Became known as "Africa's Great War". Millions died (over 5 million according to some estimates).

To this day, Rwanda and Uganda are still accused of supplying and funding rebels in the Eastern Congo.

From what I just read their problems with each other stem from belgians colonizing them and putting one group of people above another while also bringing in ethnic tribes into their land and making their own borders up .

They always had animosity towards each other but the colonial period amplified it. You have all these black people who are living by rules and borders set up by their colonizers as I thought and killing each other over land that they both have right to.

Many speak the same ethnic languages and practice the same traditions . Its is ridiculous that they need armies or live by countries and rules that they didnt even invent . I know many dont agree but a unified Sub Sahara Africa is possible but need to let go of the colonial periods rules.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

From what I just read their problems with each other stem from belgians colonizing them and putting one group of people above another while also bring in ethnic tribes into their land and making their own borders up .

They always had animosity towards each other but the colonial period amplified it.

Colonization stratified ethnicity in a lot of places. That certainly contributed to it.

 

[Redeem87]

Colonization stratified ethnicity in a lot of places. That certainly contributed to it.

Well seems to me is that people who look alike , share the same ethnic language and traditions can all be one nation or create new borders for themselves . As I thought their whole problem is living based off the colonial periods borders .

They may have had thier own tribes but it was never as bad as it is now. Gadaffi and I'm sure others have been killed off for thinking like me. While the people who want to live based off the colonial period will still live and cause strife and division to keep Sub Sahara Africa from ever being as strong as it could be.

Either way some type of unity has to happen before they will ever be self suffiecent.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

And this is why I support China in Africa, but more importantly THIS IS WHY the West has been pushing the narrative of China colonizing Africa as some scare tactic...

This is the part of the article that really grabbed my attention.

In 2008, a consortium of Chinese companies were granted the rights to mining operations in Katanga in exchange for US$6 billion in infrastructure investments, including the construction of two hospitals, four universities and a hydroelectric power project.

In 2009, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) demanded renegotiation of the deal, arguing that the agreement between China and the DRC violated the foreign debt relief program for so-called HIPC (Highly Indebted Poor Countries) nations.

The IMF successfully blocked the deal in May 2009, calling for a more feasibility study of the DRCs mineral concessions. An article published by Shamus Cooke of Workers Action explains:

This act instantly transformed Kabila from an unreliable friend to an enemy. The US and China have been madly scrambling for Africa’s immense wealth of raw materials, and Kabila’s new alliance with China was too much for the US to bear. Kabila further inflamed his former allies by demanding that the international corporations exploiting the Congo’s precious metals have their super-profit contracts re-negotiated, so that the country might actually receive some benefit from its riches.

During a diplomatic tour of Africa in 2011, US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton herself has irresponsibly insinuated China’s guilt in perpetuating a creeping “new colonialism.” China annually invests an estimated $5.5 billion in Africa, with only 29 per cent of direct investment in the mining sector in 2009 – while more than half was directed toward domestic manufacturing, finance, and construction industries. China has further committed $10 billion in concessional loans to Africa between 2009 and 2012.

As Africa’s largest trading partner, China imports 1.5 million barrels of oil from Africa per day, accounting for approximately 30 per cent of its total imports. Over the past decade, 750,000 Chinese nationals have settled in Africa; China’s deepening economic engagement in Africa and its crucial role in developing the mineral sector, telecommunications industry and much needed infrastructural projects is creating "deep nervousness" in the West, according to David Shinn, the former US ambassador to Burkina Faso and Ethiopia.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/congos-m23-conflict-rebellion-or-resource-war/5319178

This explains everything. China obviously wants to industrialize Africa so they can shift to a more consumption driven company. Isn't this correct @Poitier

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Like I said before Africa trading with China is a MUST if they ever want to industrialize and not be left behind. Whether certain militants want to agree or not.

Neolithic Revolution
9000 BC Asia
8000 BC Africa
7000 BC Europe

Bronze Age
3300 BC Asia
3200 BC Europe
3150 BC Africa

Civilization
3100 BC Africa
3000 BC Asia
1900 BC Europe

Iron Age
1300 Asia
1300 Africa
1200 Europe

Industrial Revolution
1750 Europe
1870 Asia
Africa has yet to ''Industrialize'' with South Africa being the first and only one which doesn't count as it was the British who did it.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Poitier @MansaMusa

Do you guys think the Inga dam is possibly or is it because they said its going to be bigger than the biggest dam which is in China.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

@Poitier @MansaMusa

Do you guys think the Inga dam is possibly or is it because they said its going to be bigger than the biggest dam which is in China.

It's possible, but I fear it won't be used to electrify the Congo.

 

[Poitier]

This explains everything. China obviously wants to industrialize Africa so they can shift to a more consumption driven company. Isn't this correct @Poitier

Yeah like I said, Asia wants Africa to be what it was to the US

@Poitier @MansaMusa

Do you guys think the Inga dam is possibly or is it because they said its going to be bigger than the biggest dam which is in China.

No clue tbh