Which is why the West is so paranoid and trying to push the narrative of "China is colonizing Africa!"
Yeah i already heard of that which is crazy. I heard it from a doc.
Lets discuss the potential of what is the Democratic Republic of Congo
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Yeah i already heard of that which is crazy. I heard it from a doc.
This is where China comes into play. Angola as far as I'm concern is completely void of western influence. 23 years civil war...Many places have potential.. Congo has serious potential. But as long as you have the west fukking around over there...
you're going to need the usa to be "abolished"
With what capital? Only the IMF or AIIB gives out that kind of cash.
Which is why I said potential or better yet "fully developed DRC."
A fully developed DRC would be a industrialized nation... At least in my theory. What did you think I meant?
Gotcha....I still think Nigeria is the head of the pride given its population (EVERY country would be reliant on a Nigeria with a huge middle class) but DRC would be right there depending on how federal revenue was distributed.
China would loan or help them build in exchange for some resources. The goal would be to use that loan from China to build a strong infastructure so they can refine all the resources they have so they can be self sufficient and wont need help anymore , they would have the upper hand.
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I agree for the time being.
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Great thread @KidStranglehold
As we've all agreed, the potential of the DRC is great. However, there's many things the government of the Congo has to do. Remember my earlier post about how to create domestically owned value chains using natural resources? None of that is possible without a strong Congolese national army that can destroy all militias in the East and cow Rwanda and Uganda into non-interference. I think we must start from building an effective security force first.
As we've all agreed, the potential of the DRC is great. However, there's many things the government of the Congo has to do. Remember my earlier post about how to create domestically owned value chains using natural resources? None of that is possible without a strong Congolese national army that can destroy all militias in the East and cow Rwanda and Uganda into non-interference. I think we must start from building an effective security force first.
I agree that right now Nigeria has the advantage easily. But they still need to diversify their economy. Especially considering the developed world is trying to find an alternative to oil.
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We must also examine what sort of federal state Congo must become. The Kabila government has done a disastrous round of doubling the number of provinces in the country for purely political reason.
State/provincial creation must balance economic viability/local or cultural concerns/political representation/population density. Moreover, what sort of powers will be divided, especially over natural resources?
EDIT:
I prefer states to be laboratories of economic/political experimentation but because of past rebellions we need a strong centre. Tricky balance but states such as Canada/Brazil/India have achieved such a formula with varying degrees of success.
State/provincial creation must balance economic viability/local or cultural concerns/political representation/population density. Moreover, what sort of powers will be divided, especially over natural resources?
EDIT:
I prefer states to be laboratories of economic/political experimentation but because of past rebellions we need a strong centre. Tricky balance but states such as Canada/Brazil/India have achieved such a formula with varying degrees of success.
What does Rwanda and Uganda have to do with the DRC ? I really dont know , do they have some type of conflict ? If so this goes back to my other thread on where I think Sub Sahara Africa needs to unite but thats a whole other topic.
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Because the Congo is such a weak state - maybe it has to follow the formula of:
1 - Build an army that can exercise sovereignty over the territory
2 - Build transportation network to ferry that army back and forth across the country
3 - Begin taxing the local populace and providing goods/services (healthcare provided in small clinics? Primary level education? funding for local/federal policing? Work on building basic electrical network?)
Then we can talk about value chains and what not.
Thoughts?
1 - Build an army that can exercise sovereignty over the territory
2 - Build transportation network to ferry that army back and forth across the country
3 - Begin taxing the local populace and providing goods/services (healthcare provided in small clinics? Primary level education? funding for local/federal policing? Work on building basic electrical network?)
Then we can talk about value chains and what not.
Thoughts?
I dont like the division between African countries there should not need a army for their next door neighbors . Causes nothing but problems and holds them back from being great.
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It's a long story but I'll be brief and simplistic. I recommend you read Gerard Prunier's account of the Great War of Central Africa.
Rwanda and Uganda (with other countries) have long interfered in the Congo.
After the Rwanda Genocide, over a million Hutu fled into the Congo to avoid being under the control of the Tutsi rebels who reconquered Rwanda. Mobutu thought he could use these refugees to his advantage but eventually Rwanda got fed up. Uganda had scores to settle with Mobutu and aided the Rwandan rebels who retook their country. Uganda, Rwanda sent their soldiers and allied militias into the Congo to conquer it.
Mobutu fled the country and died a year later. The replacement that Uganda and Rwanda placed in charge of the country rebelled against their influence and restarted the war. Other countries such as Angola, Zimbabwe and even Chad joined the fighting. Became known as "Africa's Great War". Millions died (over 5 million according to some estimates).
To this day, Rwanda and Uganda are still accused of supplying and funding rebels in the Eastern Congo.
