Lebron's opponents in the Finals >>>>>> Jordan's opponents in the Finals

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You seriously that dumb?

How about when Magic went 2-14 from the field, 6-11 from the line, ton of turnovers, badly outscored by 5'9" Calvin Murphy, in getting worked out of the 1st round by the 40-42 Rockets DESPITE coming off a championship, not losing anyone, and having MVP Kareem on his team? And he called his teammates jealous of his popularity.

Rockets Win, 89-86, and Eliminate Lakers in Playoffs

Magic probably put up the worst attempted game-winner by any player in history. Then lied afterwards and said he got hit on the elbow when you can see that he didn't get touched.





THAT is the worst performance by a superstar in NBA playoff history. Horrible in every element of the game while losing to a team with a losing record when you're an already-established champion. There's plenty more where that came from. Lebron averaging 17-8-8 in taking the Finals to 6 games against a Dallas team that destroyed everyone in their path doesn't even come close.







Kobe/Gasol/Bynum/MWP were SWEPT by the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka went down in FIVE to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. :yeshrug:


I think he might've meant NBA Finals history, but regardless it's still bad. Lebron's 2011 is the big stain, one that by itself already knocks him from being the GOAT. 8 points in a finals game (looks like the game you quoted Magic at least had 10 lol), lose a 2-1 finals lead, then lose the finals on your home court. Then LeHurt feelings got all personal after losing to the Mavs=



“At the end of the day,” James said, “all the people who want to see me fail, they gotta wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had when they woke up today. Same personal problems they had today. I am going to continue to live and do the things I want to do and be happy with that.”

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Softest supposed goat in history by far.



That's not the GOAT. Nah man:mjlol:


"There's a new sheriff in town":mjlol:



And he wonder why legends don't respect him:mjlol:
 

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I think he might've meant NBA Finals history, but regardless it's still bad. Lebron's 2011 is the big stain, one that by itself already knocks him from being the GOAT. 8 points in a finals game (looks like the game you quoted Magic at least had 10 lol), lose a 2-1 finals lead, then lose the finals on your home court.

2-14 and 6-11 from the line in an elimination game against a 40-42 team while letting the opposing point guard score freely on your team and then only getting the potential game-winner halfway to the hoop is MUCH worse than anything that could possibly happen in a Finals game, because it's the FIRST ROUND and you're playing a LOSING TEAM. The Lakers were defending champs, brought everyone back, had MVP Kareem, were clear title contenders, and they lost IN THE FIRST ROUND TO A LOSING TEAM. This whole, "losing in the Finals is worse than losing in the first round" nonsense has to stop.

Wilt had 8 or fewer points in Finals games multiple times and lost series leads. Kareem had 4 points in a Finals game once and lost series leads. Bird had 8 points in Finals games multiple times and once averaged single digits for three consecutive Finals games. Kobe had 8 points in a Finals loss on freaking 4-20 shooting, and only managed like 3 boards and 3 assists in that game too. Hell, Russell probably averaged 8ppg for entire Finals. The only guys who never had a low-scoring Finals games are the ones who were completely focused on scoring as opposed to other tasks, so they put up 15-20+ shots a game regardless of how well they were scoring (West, MJ, Kobe outside of that ridiculous 4-20 game). To say that a single performance "knocks someone out from being GOAT" is silly as hell - single game performances don't work like that, and scoring is not such an end-all that you evaluate on it and ignore literally every other part of the game.

Lebron's games 6-7 against the Spurs and 5-6-7 against the Warriors were two of the greatest clutch performances in Finals history. You evaluate on the entire body of work, not one series when he was 26.




“At the end of the day,” James said, “all the people who want to see me fail, they gotta wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had when they woke up today. Same personal problems they had today. I am going to continue to live and do the things I want to do and be happy with that.”

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Softest supposed goat in history by far.

You got to be pretty bytchmade to have that statement getting in your feelings so much you're still quoting it six years and three titles later.
 

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2-14 and 6-11 from the line in an elimination game against a 40-42 team while letting the opposing point guard score freely on your team and then only getting the potential game-winner halfway to the hoop is MUCH worse than anything that could possibly happen in a Finals game, because it's the FIRST ROUND and you're playing a LOSING TEAM. The Lakers were defending champs, brought everyone back, had MVP Kareem, were clear title contenders, and they lost IN THE FIRST ROUND TO A LOSING TEAM. This whole, "losing in the Finals is worse than losing in the first round" nonsense has to stop.

Wilt had 8 or fewer points in Finals games multiple times and lost series leads. Kareem had 4 points in a Finals game once and lost series leads. Bird had 8 points in Finals games multiple times and once averaged single digits for three consecutive Finals games. Kobe had 8 points in a Finals loss on freaking 4-20 shooting, and only managed like 3 boards and 3 assists in that game too. Hell, Russell probably averaged 8ppg for entire Finals. The only guys who never had a low-scoring Finals games are the ones who were completely focused on scoring as opposed to other tasks, so they put up 15-20+ shots a game regardless of how well they were scoring (West, MJ, Kobe outside of that ridiculous 4-20 game). To say that a single performance "knocks someone out from being GOAT" is silly as hell - single game performances don't work like that, and scoring is not such an end-all that you evaluate on it and ignore literally every other part of the game.

Lebron's games 6-7 against the Spurs and 5-6-7 against the Warriors were two of the greatest clutch performances in Finals history. You evaluate on the entire body of work, not one series when he was 26.






You got to be pretty bytchmade to have that statement getting in your feelings so much you're still quoting it six years and three titles later.


I already said it was bad, both cases. But LeBrick's finals in 2011 is really bad. You're not making a case for anything, they're both terrible, which again is by itself a stain enough where it's not touching the rarified air of MJ. Magic's case is bad, but Magic already said MJ is the GOAT, so really if you wanna compare Magic n LeFlop so be it. But again, there's no forgetting that 2011 finals. 8 points in a finals game, losing a finals lead, losing the finals on your home court. It's bad. Not a single game, we're talking the entire series. And we're not even talking about the refs trying to give the Heat that finals, with those BS fouls being called near the end of the series. Your legacy has to be pretty pristine to start being up there with the likes of MJ. Lebrick has a losing finals record on top of that.

Then he gets his feelings caught up by tryin to down fans, "I'm still gonna live my life and be happy'' lol:mjlol:

You got to be pretty bytchmade to ignore all the shortcomings of LeHairline and the flopping/copping pleas he's done over his career. Leflop just got to 3 (by switching teams twice), MJ has 6, with 2 3 peats. Lebrick isn't there yet, period.

Now he bytches about playing too many games, takes games off voluntarily, says the season is too long for him. lol that don't sound like a GOAT to me. You got to be pretty bytchmade to both complain about playing too many games now when you know it'd be impossible to catch MJ if he actually had to play 82 games like you know everyone else before him, and to be a stan of that and think he's a GOAT like MJ.



That's not a GOAT. It just isn't:mjlol:

Or the coronation he predicted in Miami:

"not 3, not 4, not 5.....":mjlol:

He self ethers himself so much it's only stans that defend that kind of behavior. All the hype he had he started feelin himself too much.

"i'm not tryin to be MJ i'm tryin to be Lebron James" even though I'm gonna wear 23 to
"i'm chasing that ghost in Chicago" -yeah we known all along wit your fake lyin ass.:mjlol:

"I feel like the season's too long"- yeah you ain't slick, we know you ain't lasting long enough to catch MJ if you actually had to play a full season like you know, everyone before you:mjlol:

"I'm coming home to win one for cleveland"-no you're jumping ship again after gettin waxed by the spurs and realize you jumping on another team to try to get rings before you get inevitable flabby and ineffective because LeGM never developed a real offensive game.:mjlol:

6'8 250+ and you can't even do a ball fake like MJ:mjlol:

Only bytchmade stans defend this kind of flopping behavior. It's why Lebrick will never get the legends' respect, why he won't be responsible for a 72-10, 87-13 w/the ring season, and why he won't be MJ the GOAT. He taps out and complains before even really trying. shyt he bytched and snitched to the league just cuz Draymond called him a bytch:mjlol:


6'8 250+ and you doing this:



That ain't no GOAT.

The funniest thing is he does it to himself too lol
 
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2-14 and 6-11 from the line in an elimination game against a 40-42 team while letting the opposing point guard score freely on your team and then only getting the potential game-winner halfway to the hoop is MUCH worse than anything that could possibly happen in a Finals game, because it's the FIRST ROUND and you're playing a LOSING TEAM. The Lakers were defending champs, brought everyone back, had MVP Kareem, were clear title contenders, and they lost IN THE FIRST ROUND TO A LOSING TEAM. This whole, "losing in the Finals is worse than losing in the first round" nonsense has to stop.

Wilt had 8 or fewer points in Finals games multiple times and lost series leads. Kareem had 4 points in a Finals game once and lost series leads. Bird had 8 points in Finals games multiple times and once averaged single digits for three consecutive Finals games. Kobe had 8 points in a Finals loss on freaking 4-20 shooting, and only managed like 3 boards and 3 assists in that game too. Hell, Russell probably averaged 8ppg for entire Finals. The only guys who never had a low-scoring Finals games are the ones who were completely focused on scoring as opposed to other tasks, so they put up 15-20+ shots a game regardless of how well they were scoring (West, MJ, Kobe outside of that ridiculous 4-20 game). To say that a single performance "knocks someone out from being GOAT" is silly as hell - single game performances don't work like that, and scoring is not such an end-all that you evaluate on it and ignore literally every other part of the game.

Lebron's games 6-7 against the Spurs and 5-6-7 against the Warriors were two of the greatest clutch performances in Finals history. You evaluate on the entire body of work, not one series when he was 26.






You got to be pretty bytchmade to have that statement getting in your feelings so much you're still quoting it six years and three titles later.
People are still in their feelings over that quote :dahell:? If anything he should've said it sooner with the way fans and the media acted towards him that season.
 

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No....they couldn't. smits inconsistency and constant foul trouble forced the Pacers to go into the Davis boys....and they weren't good post players. Dale Davis was the worst of the two and Antonio was a lesser Taj Gibson.

I simply don't get the overrating of these Knicks and Pacers teams. They shared the stage with Jordan and got over elevated.

The revisionist history of those Knicks teams being better than they were is probably a mix of them playing 2 Chicago title teams tough, and the fact that it's the Knicks so they get a lot of attention anyway. They have become extremely overrated.

They were a well coached, physical, defensive team but not especially talented. Their offensive shortcomings were very apparent during the postseason.

People sometimes try to claim that Jordan and the Bulls were in the way of some great Knicks team of winning all these titles, but there was just one Knicks team (1993) that Chicago defeated that had a real solid chance of winning it all. The Suns and Knicks in the finals would have been interesting, especially considering when they last played that season, there was a brawl.



The other Knicks teams eliminated by Chicago weren't championship teams. The 89' Knicks weren't beating the Bad Boys, 91' Knicks were sub .500, 92' Knicks were unlikely to get past the Cavs and Blazers, and the 96' Knicks were not getting past the Magic and Sonics.

Those offenses were way too inconsistent, often times Ewing would get little help, and when they did make it to the Finals, it was Ewing who shyt the bed offensively. Everyone remembers John Starks's game 7, but Ewing was horrible offensively all series long.

I don't as often see those Pacers teams get overrated as often as those Knicks teams. Portland was probably the most talented team Chicago beat in those 6 titles, along with Seattle. Those teams were pretty talented. It took longer for Seattle to gel, they had choked the previous 2 years in the first round.
 

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Let me dust off this thread


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I think that, in order to make this argument, you should refrain from interjecting personal opinion into the mix, cause it only works to undermine your position.

That team was hardly "a bunch of nobodies".....they won 62 games, Dan Majerle was an All-Star that year, Kevin Johnson missed 49 GAMES that season and they still took the Bulls to 6 games.

Richard Dumas, Cedric Ceballos, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers.....that's not a world-beater roster, but in 1993 that was a FORMIDABLE roster. The fact that KJ didn't play and Majerle was REALLY the second star is a testament that you probably don't know much about that team other than what you've read in press clippings.

No offense, OP....I just don't like these attempts at narrative shifts.
Yup, OP is what’s wrong with this board and is clearly in over his head. That Suns team was basically a team of all stars with heir front 5…that bench was pretty deep too
 
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