Lebron's opponents in the Finals >>>>>> Jordan's opponents in the Finals

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

You're name dropping. The Davis boys weren't even bruisers...they were defenders in the low blocks. Rik smits was a foul prone stiff who was trash if his shot wasn't dropping.

These teams were notorious for having ugly scoring droughts

You dudes really think namedropping is evidence of something.

Smits had career averaged similar to Roy hibbert yet he's supposed to be some game changer . The pacers best player was a career 18-3-3 guy who never even made an all NBA second team and only created 19% of his own made baskets on the career . Those Knicks were trash too. I'm not sure they get by that bulls team in 2011 even. Great defense is commonplace in the east anyway. He's kept going up against Boston and Chicago and Indiana through 2014 and they were always a top 2-3 defense at worst. They had one guy who could score down low and nobody who could hit 3's at a high rate.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Smits had career averaged similar to Roy hibbert yet he's supposed to be some game changer . The pacers best player was a career 18-3-3 guy who never even made an all NBA second team and only created 19% of his own made baskets on the career . Those Knicks were trash too. I'm not sure they get by that bulls team in 2011 even. Great defense is commonplace in the east anyway. He's kept going up against Boston and Chicago and Indiana through 2014 and they were always a top 2-3 defense at worst. They had one guy who could score down low and nobody who could hit 3's at a high rate.

Dude really said RIK SMITS as if it had value. he was the most inconsistent "big man" if there ever was one. Catch a few highlights of him and suddenly they make him out to be some sort of force when he was a foul prone defensive liability that could hit 15 footers. And let's not about the Davis boys. They were good low block defenders, banging with Ewing. Smits was so bad defensively he forced the Pacers to use the Davis boys on Ewing. I could only imagine if those heavy footed oafs were forced on a switch and sttep outside the paint to defend Lebron. He SURELY wouldn't have blown past them or created offense off that mismatch.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Dude really said RIK SMITS as if it had value. he was the most inconsistent "big man" of there ever was one. Catch a few highlights teams of him and suddenly make him out to be some sort of force all he was a foul prone defensive liability that could hit 15 footers. And let's not about the Davis boys. They were good low block defenders, banging with Ewing. Smits was so bad defensively he forced the Pacers to use the Davis boys on Ewing. I could only imagine if those heavy footed oafs were forced on a switch to step outside the paint and defend Lebron. He SURELY wouldn't have blown past them or created offense off that mismatch.

I'd be more concerned about the skates guys like Curry or Kyrie or CP3 or Har_en would've put guys like them on. Most of these guys never bothered switching on defense and many of them couldn't rotate for help defense either. Pretty sure it was Clyde Drexler who said his coaches never even bothered teaching guys to rotate on defense.

 

[Trece]

These threads always end up becomimg roasts on Bron

 

[Art Barr]

The Spurs team that beat them has one of if not the highest sustained points per 100 possession of any team in the history of basketball from game 7 of the mavs all the way until they beat the heat...

in the low iq era where they play zone and micheal jeffrey jordan was THEE ZONE BUSTER.

just stop, with this fake ass overprocessing of bron's mythos.
his ship sailed on being the goat when he lost to the spurs and got swept.
if anything he is the andre agassi of basketball at best.

art barr

 

[LV Koopa]

This is obvious to anyone who knows real ball

 

[Cladyclad]

Lie? I don't know what to tell you. The Knicks with Ewing, Oak, Mason, Starks and those dudes? Bron has not faced a team like that in the East. Pacers with Reggie Miller, the Davis boys, and Rick Smits? C'mon you need to review your history.

Damn y'all really hate Bron this much? As a Kobe Stan y'all niqqas got my stomach turning. That 07' Piston that should have won Chip that year got eliminated by this no hairline having crybaby. Stop this shyt. Yes Bron had it easy in the East. But to say he never faced a championship team in the East just shows y'all dudes need help professional from a doctor to understand y'all hatred of this man.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This is obvious to anyone who knows real ball

Why is that bulls team circled in green? Underdog that many times yet still given unrealistic expectations

 

[LV Koopa]

That's probably just the excel cell highlighted when the screen cap was taken

 

[Jplaya2023]

This is obvious to anyone who knows real ball

this is crap, The consensus was phoenix in 93 nad utah in 98 were going to win those series because they had the homecourt and the bulls were trying to for 3peats and might've been out of gas. In 98 pippen back was on fire in the utah series and dennis rodman was washed up. Does ELO account for that?

 

[mastermind]

Not even the biggest Lebron fan, but the facts are there


Bulls opponents in the Finals

1991 - Lackluster, aging Lakers team. Magic Johnson on his last legs, Kareem retired already, James Worthy and Byron Scott injured for most of the series

1992 - Trailblazers were a good team

1993 - Basically Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, and nobodies

1996 - Sonics were a good team

1997 - Jazz were above average at best, and predictable offense

1998 - Jazz again



Cavaliers opponents in the Finals

2007 - Spurs, all time team

2011 - Mavericks were a good team, Lebron chocked, no excuse there

2012 - Thunder, great young team

2013 - Spurs, all time team

2014 - Spurs again

2015 - Warriors, all time team

2016 - 73-9, all time team, came back from 3-1 to win



You can even say that Magic, Bird, and Isiah Thomas' teams they faced in the Finals were better too. You can talk about Jordan's 6-0 Finals record, but look who he was facing though

how can anyone argue against this?

 

[LV Koopa]

this is crap, The consensus was phoenix in 93 nad utah in 98 were going to win those series because they had the homecourt and the bulls were trying to for 3peats and might've been out of gas. In 98 pippen back was on fire in the utah series and dennis rodman was washed up. Does ELO account for that?

look at you making shyt up. The consensus in 93 wasn't that Phoenix was gonna win - them nikkas lost Ceballos in the WCF. That's why they weren't favored.

98 was the only year MJ was even close to being even versus the other team. The Bulls were old and worn down, luckily the Jazz were too. There was no consensus either way on that series. Stop lyin

And to the bolded - of course it does. That was based on every game they played up the Game 1 of the Finals. Despite Pippen's back being fukked up Chicago was still as good as Utah. Lol @ Rodman being washed up. So what does that make Utah

 

[Jplaya2023]

look at you making shyt up. The consensus in 93 wasn't that Phoenix was gonna win - them nikkas lost Ceballos in the WCF. That's why they weren't favored.

98 was the only year MJ was even close to being even versus the other team. The Bulls were old and worn down, luckily the Jazz were too. There was no consensus either way on that series. Stop lyin

And to the bolded - of course it does. That was based on every game they played up the Game 1 of the Finals. Despite Pippen's back being fukked up Chicago was still as good as Utah. Lol @ Rodman being washed up. So what does that make Utah

Rodman was awful, he was rotating with toni on the starting spot, Malone and Stockton were still very good. Rodman fell off a cliff

And i didn't make up anything, people still were saying phoenix were going to win the series without Ced, and they were a paxon shot away from having a 7th game at home.

 

[LV Koopa]

"People were saying" isn't the same as a consensus

 

[mastermind]

I'd be more concerned about the skates guys like Curry or Kyrie or CP3 or Har_en would've put guys like them on. Most of these guys never bothered switching on defense and many of them couldn't rotate for help defense either. Pretty sure it was Clyde Drexler who said his coaches never even bothered teaching guys to rotate on defense.

but some how defenses were better back then.