there is no "defense" today. the rules have changed that. You talk to current or former players and they will say the same thing, but i guess there just all bitter
Lebron's opponents in the Finals >>>>>> Jordan's opponents in the Finals
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there is no "defense" today. the rules have changed that. You talk to current or former players and they will say the same thing, but i guess there just all bitter
Whoa pump your brakes. I don't hate Bron at all. Mt. Rushmore status. I'm just saying Jordan had a tougher road in the East playoffs on the way to Finals than Bron did. Bron probably had it tougher in the Finals, especially last year. I'm seeing cats on here trying to clown the Pacers from back then and stupidly saying the Knicks weren't that good. No Smits and The Davis Boys werent superstars but they were tough defenders and could get you some buckets. But all I'm hearing is how good those 90's East teams weren't. Still waiting on who these great teams were Bron faced in the East playoffs.
The Jazz "average at best" is bullshyt but the rest is pretty much on point.
2007 Pistons (He carried bums over a still great team by himself)
2011 Bulls
2012 Celtics
2013 Pacers
All were championship caliber teams. It's just hard to beat 3 prime HOF players
2011 Bulls
2012 Celtics
2013 Pacers
All were championship caliber teams. It's just hard to beat 3 prime HOF players
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
No....they couldn't. smits inconsistency and constant foul trouble forced the Pacers to go into the Davis boys....and they weren't good post players. Dale Davis was the worst of the two and Antonio was a lesser Taj Gibson.
I simply don't get the overrating of these Knicks and Pacers teams. They shared the stage with Jordan and got over elevated.
I don't get the under rating. Those Knicks teams would have likely had a ring if not for Jordan. And the Pacers are the only team I can remember taking the Bulls to a Game 7 during those years. And remember, the Davis Boys, Oak, Starks and Mason were tough dudes and played physical when you could actually play that way.
The Knicks took the Bulls to 7 games in the 1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Even with that ring, they didn't play good basketball and weren't very talented.
It simply wasn't that great an era.
Being a kid of the 80s, the drop off in 90s ball was visible and stark. Hyper free agency and expansion gave older players way more minutes than they should have had.
More fakkit ass LeBron vs MJ threads in the Coliseum.
Ok.
Ok.
faced the weakest teams of any top player in history
Bullshyt. 2011 Bulls, 2012 Thunder, 2013 Spurs, 2016 Warriors are as good as any four teams that anyone else has beat.
They DESTROY the best four teams that Kobe beat.
Here's the most recent version
Bullshyt again. It's actually 12 in 13 seasons - they cheat and don't count the lockout years at all, as if because it was a lockout year that magically made all the teams worse.
And why'd they leave out Magic (13) and Bird (10) and why are they giving Kobe (10 in 12 seasons as the top player) credit for the 14 that Shaq got for him?
The other dumb part, of course, is thinking that beating a 50-54 win team matters.
Change it to "55 win teams", and Lebron has 8 bodies still....Kobe has 2, and one of those was the injury-crippled Spurs.
Change it to "60 win teams", and Lebron still got 3 bodies...Kobe has NONE.
It means nothing for a championship contender to beat some 50-win team led by Deron WIlliams or Ron Artest. The measure of greatest is the best teams you beat, not the above average teams that you damn well better beat.
You seriously that dumb?
How about when Magic went 2-14 from the field, 6-11 from the line, ton of turnovers, badly outscored by 5'9" Calvin Murphy, in getting worked out of the 1st round by the 40-42 Rockets DESPITE coming off a championship, not losing anyone, and having MVP Kareem on his team? And he called his teammates jealous of his popularity.
Rockets Win, 89-86, and Eliminate Lakers in Playoffs
Magic probably put up the worst attempted game-winner by any player in history. Then lied afterwards and said he got hit on the elbow when you can see that he didn't get touched.
THAT is the worst performance by a superstar in NBA playoff history. Horrible in every element of the game while losing to a team with a losing record when you're an already-established champion. There's plenty more where that came from. Lebron averaging 17-8-8 in taking the Finals to 6 games against a Dallas team that destroyed everyone in their path doesn't even come close.
Again LEBRON LOST TO THE 2011 DALLAS MAVERICKS. We not ever letting him live that down
Kobe/Gasol/Bynum/MWP were SWEPT by the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka went down in FIVE to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks.
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Anytime this image is shown I will mic drop this. It's from an article from 2015 so it doesn't include the murder/death/kill of the 73 win gsw.
The LeBron James Hate Remains Strong, Mystifying
Why exactly is 50 wins is the barometer here? Because it’s a nice round number? It sounds good? That’s just nine wins more than a .500 team. Fifty wins is just a good season. Not great. It feels like a player who bats .300 or someone who has 1,000 yards rushing in the NFL. All those numbers sounded better a few years ago before the Statistical Revolution.
Look at this list of the best regular seasons in NBA history (winning percentage .750 or better). Excluding the strike-shortened seasons, and focusing on just the modern era, these players (and their teams, obviously) beat the following 62+ win teams:
* Jordan beat four of them (’96 Sonics, ’97 Jazz, ’93 Suns, ’98 Jazz) in the Finals
* Dwight Howard beat two (’09 Cavs, ’09 Celtics) in the ECS, ECF
* Magic beat two (’85 Celtics, ’91 Blazers) in the Finals, WCF
* Larry beat one ‘(81 76ers) in the ECF
* LeBron beat one (’11 Bulls) in the ECF
* Tim Duncan beat one (’05 Suns) in WCF
* Kevin Durant beat one (’12 Spurs) in WCF
* Dirk beat one (’06 Spurs) in WCS
You can take this any way you’d like. Those four teams Jordan beat? All in the West.
So Kobe is the leader of beating a lot of good teams in the playoffs (per the graphic above) but when it comes to “ELITE” teams – those that won 75% of their regular season games – Kobe has never beaten one in the playoffs. And he’s unlikely to start now that Shaq and Pau Gasol are just L.A. memories.
