Lebron really looks old now

[Illin Degenerate]

Lebron is averaging two more rebounds than curry is per game and over 2 assists per game over curry and curry is a point guard as well. Those numbers in rebounding and assists are stronger argument than the less than 1 point difference in steals by those players. The point is if a neutral observer where to look at this stats a very strong case can be made lebron is the better player right now, at worst you argue they are even, yet if you listen to the discourse around the two, one is constantly critic as being washed and a strain on his team and the other three years younger heralded by supporters as the best point guard in league history is not, why the discrepancy? Also lebron has a better defensive rating as well than curry this season while being the older player

i think you glanced over the part where curry's on/off is +11.1, lebron's -13.7. i believe youre wrong about the defensive rating as well because curry's defensive metrics are better which is even more damning because those tend to skew in favor of taller players. lebron could bounce back out of this awful shooting slump and play well because he still has the size and enough athleticism and skill to do it in spurts but im of the opinion he needs to dial back his minutes so he can put forth more effort when hes on the floor because right now too often hes hurting his team.

its not to say lebron is the worst starter in the league but there cant be many right now on any team let alone a team with a winning record that has a worse on/off rating.

 

[VegetasHairline]

How dare you use facts and logic here, in kobe final season he played 66 games averaging over 28 minutes per game and the lakers were last in the western conference and were seen as jokes, for comparison lebron has only played over those number of games twice since joining the lakers and when healthy the lakers have won a championship, always been in the playoff contention and were in the conference finals a few seasons ago, the never benefited from the play in tournament because with the former rules they would have been qualified by default. The rule in sports has always been if your on the court/field and suited up you are healthy and thus subject to criticism , spans over several leagues, so the injury excuse plays little to no weight at all, thats not even to factor in lebron has been out for long spells and durations under the lakers tenure as well and has had several injury issues and yet still had sucess in the waning stages of his career.

If only you defended yourself like you defend LeBron, imbecile!

 

[jaydawg08]

i think you glanced over the part where curry's on/off is +11.1, lebron's -13.7. i believe youre wrong about the defensive rating as well because curry's defensive metrics are better which is even more damning because those tend to skew in favor of taller players. lebron could bounce back out of this awful shooting slump and play well because he still has the size and enough athleticism and skill to do it in spurts but im of the opinion he needs to dial back his minutes so he can put forth more effort when hes on the floor because right now too often hes hurting his team.

its not to say lebron is the worst starter in the league but there cant be many right now on any team let alone a team with a winning record that has a worse on/off rating.

People keep saying he needs to dial back his min and I agree but he can’t because of the roster

They have no other wings, they have no other good playmakers, they have no other good rebounders besides him and AD, generally Lebron has been one of their best 3pt shooters, and even with his AWFUL stretch from 3 he’s still shooting 35-36% from there.. where do you get the production?

DLO can’t be a full time playmaker, they have no one else who can grab boards consistently, they have no one else besides Reaves who can penetrate the defense. Where is this other production coming from?

 

[L. Deezy]

Lebron and the Brow have set the Lakers back so far.. Its a damn shame how Lebron and Klutch have made this club so stagnant. Not one tradeable piece and a son who probably couldnt start on a top Juco team right now. Magic and Kareem rolling over in their graves

 

[Dwight Howard]

So the same as this site's daddy?

Kobe is a laker legend. Lebron isn't. Huge difference

 

[Trojan 24]

Kobe is a laker legend. Lebron isn't. Huge difference

Everybody knew the deal when Kobe signed that last contract. He remains a Laker for life, goes on an extended fairwell tour to keep the fans happy all while we're actively tanking. It was actual a perfect plan and everyone was happy, just missed on the picks then Jeanie sold her ass for a cheap ring

These guys really think anybody care about Lebron ending his career in LA, ship his ass out

 

[Yayo Toure]

Lebron and the Brow have set the Lakers back so far.. Its a damn shame how Lebron and Klutch have made this club so stagnant. Not one tradeable piece and a son who probably couldnt start on a top Juco team right now. Magic and Kareem rolling over in their graves

yup, saw it from the jump when they traded to get AD. AD is elite but frail and as you can see this season right now has trouble sustaining his level without taking breaks. Now the lakers have no cap space, little draft capital, and few assets to make any good trades. They are fukked for at least 7 years.

And lebron stans will say "kobe didn't make the playoffs his last few years". yeah, but Kobe also didnt bytch and be passive aggressive to the front office and force them into moves that would have hurt the franchise long term. Kobe retired and the lakers had a young team and great draft picks. Now it's all gone, and for what, a bubble ring and a In season tournament title?

 

[L. Deezy]

yup, saw it from the jump when they traded to get AD. AD is elite but frail and as you can see this season right now has trouble sustaining his level without taking breaks. Now the lakers have no cap space, little draft capital, and few assets to make any good trades. They are fukked for at least 7 years.

And lebron stans will say "kobe didn't make the playoffs his last few years". yeah, but Kobe also didnt bytch and be passive aggressive to the front office and force them into moves that would have hurt the franchise long term. Kobe retired and the lakers had a young team and great draft picks. Now it's all gone, and for what, a bubble ring and a In season tournament title?

preach

 

[Roger king]

i think you glanced over the part where curry's on/off is +11.1, lebron's -13.7. i believe youre wrong about the defensive rating as well because curry's defensive metrics are better which is even more damning because those tend to skew in favor of taller players. lebron could bounce back out of this awful shooting slump and play well because he still has the size and enough athleticism and skill to do it in spurts but im of the opinion he needs to dial back his minutes so he can put forth more effort when hes on the floor because right now too often hes hurting his team.

its not to say lebron is the worst starter in the league but there cant be many right now on any team let alone a team with a winning record that has a worse on/off rating.

The defensive rating was collected from the nba stats they are accurate if you have evidence otherwise please post it, i acknowledge the slump lebron especially shooting the basketball is in but then you brush over him averaging over 2 assists and rebounds per game than curry who is a point guard and whose team on the who is also three years younger and again the same outcome is they both have the same number of wins this season so there isn't any wide discrepancy in team being succesful thus far in the season. The same can be said for curry as well playing as a starter with those numbers and i once again emphazise curry is three years younger this shouldn't even remotely be a debate at all.

Prior to lebron signing for the lakers they were bottom in their conference and did not get into the playoffs, since joining lakers have won a championship been to the conference final, and been in the playoffs when he was healthy, there is no objective metric to say that isnt a success especially for an athlete in his waning career stages

 

[Ozymandeas]

I told @Dr. Narcisse Bron shoulda sat the Olympics out cause I knew this would happen

They gave us one last GOAT moment but father time is relentless You're just not meant to be doing all of that at Bron's age. Steph's time is coming too. Us Millennials aren't in our physical prime anymore

 

[Trojan 24]

They gave us one last GOAT moment but father time is relentless You're just not meant to be doing all of that at Bron's age. Steph's time is coming too. Us Millennials aren't in our physical prime anymore

I think Bron knew that was it and went for one last moment of glory, now he better hope the young brehs he railroaded to control the team don't hold it against him. I already know Tatum and Brown gonna try and put him and Bronny thru the rim

 

[Everythingg]

MJ got the right coach and sidekick.

MJ was wayyyyyy more coachable. Bron always wanted to be the GM/Player-Coach. That's a big knock on Bron particularly in the 2nd half of his career.
If you put each player in the same situation, I think you get similar results. Bulls front office >>> Cavs front office....Bulls made good moves and the Cavs didn't. Phil Jackson + Scottie Pippen >>>>>>> anyone Bron had from 2003 to 2009. MJ is not getting the Cavs any further than Bron did.

Pip and Phil were nobodies when they got to Chi. You can't look at it in hindsight and act like everyone knew they were gems the moment they walked in the door.

Lebron tried to get Spo, a championship proven coach, fired. He watched a rookie coach in Blatt win 50 games his first season and start off 30-11 before pushing for him to get fired. He watched Kyrie make Allstar teams before and during his return to Cleveland, and in a game 7 finals game hit the game winning shot on the two time MVP's headtop yet STILL tried trading him a season and a half later when things got tough. This is who you think you could place with rookie, no name Phil and young Pip and wait for them to develop?

And come on bruh, MJ was going at the Bad Boy pistons whose gameplay was to beat him up physically because they couldn't stop him. And he still did numbers. You honestly think the Spurs would hold him to 39% while sweeping him?

Like I said, MJ has the better resume. On that, I'm picking him every time. If I'm starting with the #1 pick, I take Bron because he gives me more roster flex....I trust MJ more to take the last shot, but if I'm a lottery team, my goal is to just win games and become a contender quickly. Bron gets you there faster even if his peak isn't as good as MJ.

I'd also add that MJ's personality WOULD NOT work in the modern NBA. Just punching teammates, cussing them out etc., would get old fast. Basically the equivalent of Bron acting like Draymond.

I mean we all have opinions its okay to agree to disagree, dap up and keep it moving

All I'm saying is that MJ did what you said Bron would be better at doing. Bron had the opportunity to do take a lottery team to the promised land the first time in Cleveland and failed. He got a second chance in LA to do the same when he came to LA to play with Brandon Ingram, Lonzo, Kuz and Josh Hart and he failed again.

Bron's career shows he doesn't like being coached hard, he's not patient with players and not ONCE in his career has he had a player ascend to all stardom from being a no name. Kobe had Bynum come up under him, Curry had Klay and Dray come up, and Duncan had Parker, Kawhi,and Ginobili come up under his leadership. How you think Bron would let rookie Phil coach him hard while waiting for Pip to stop having migraines and finally become an Allstar #2 player is beyond me

 

[Everythingg]

These cacs can't seem to comprehend taking your team from the bottom to an all-time dynasty. And talking about floor raiser? Only floor Bron raises is those with cac game. So those who can space the floor and hustle. But if you got actual game? Good luck, go stand in the corner

They give Bron props for making players like Sasha Pavlovic and Damon Jones as examples of Bron making teammate better while Bosh, Wade and Love all had to take a step back to fit in with him


On a side note I can't remember which game it was but the other day I was watching highlights of a 50 or 60 point Kobe game and the starting lineup was Smush Parker, Kobe, (maybe Devean George) Brian Cook and Chris Mihm

A real example of not having help and reminder of the rainy days that happened between trading Shaq and getting Gasol

 

[waltthizzney]

LeBron is 40 years old… he’s literally doing the public a favor playing as well.

No one wants this bum in LA anymore

This fake retirement tour gonna be cringe

Kobe was loved from coast to coast

Only LeThotties can get excited for this manufactured “superstar”

LeBron is the drake of basketball

 

[Ozymandeas]

I think Bron knew that was it and went for one last moment of glory, now he better hope the young brehs he railroaded to control the team don't hold it against him. I already know Tatum and Brown gonna try and put him and Bronny thru the rim

I think so too. That was probably the only time LeBron wasn’t insufferable. Ethered them crepe eating fukk boys in their own city. But Bronny? His ass gonna be out the league by 2026.

Edit: I know Liangelo Ball mad af watching Bronny.