Lebron owns the East, year after year.

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

give Kobe prime Wade and Bish and he for damn sure not going 2-4 in the finals

Kobe managed to be single biggest reason the lakers (in humiliating fashion no less) lost on a team with Shaq and Payton and Malone against a team so offensively inept that they had a playoff series where they averaged 75 points that season. Just a reminder, Kobe and the lakers got swept by that mavericks team and his lakers got swept in humiliating fashion by the 2013 spurs too.

 

[MJ Truth]

Spin it how you want. LeBron is the only player that has played with two other all stars in the East since....?

A couple of seasons ago the Hawks had FOUR All-Stars, and LeBron's squad SWEPT them without one of his All-Stars at that point, so the weak point you're trying to make doesn't seem to hold weight.

 

[Dwight Howard]

Kobe managed to be single biggest reason the lakers (in humiliating fashion no less) lost on a team with Shaq and Payton and Malone against a team so offensively inept that they had a playoff series where they averaged 75 points that season. Just a reminder, Kobe and the lakers got swept by that mavericks team and his lakers got swept in humiliating fashion by the 2013 spurs too.

-Kobe is 5-2 in the finals. the stats show he wins when he gets to the finals more likely than not, same cant be said for Bron
-The Lakers got swept by the eventual champs. but he wasnt playing with two-all stars to pick up the slack like Bron..whats your point? Ive made mine
-Kobe didnt not play in the 2013 playoffs

you should do your homework before engaging in serious sports discussion

 

[onelastdeath]

-Kobe is 5-2 in the finals. the stats show he wins when he gets to the finals more likely than not, same cant be said for Bron
-The Lakers got swept by the eventual champs. but he wasnt playing with two-all stars to pick up the slack like Bron..whats your point? Ive made mine
-Kobe didnt not play in the 2013 playoffs

you should do your homework before engaging in serious sports discussion

To be fair to goatbe, he wasn't the first option in how many of those ?

 

[Dwight Howard]

To be fair to goatbe, he wasn't the first option in how many of those ?

in 2001 - Kobe averaged 24/7/5
2002 - 26/5/5

in 2013 - LeBron avergaed 25/10/7

the difference in a first/second option Kobe's case isnt substantial enough to create an argument or true distinction. He put up 1st option numbers.

 

[Maximus]

When you're on the only stacked team in a historically bad, joke of a conference, you should own it.

It's not like he's faced any real competition in the LEast in most of these years.

 

[agpxknt]

Hopefully Paul George stays in the east.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

give Kobe prime Wade and Bish and he for damn sure not going 2-4 in the finals

Give Kobe prime Wade and Bosh, and that team would be a mess because Kobe has NEVER co-existed with another high-usage perimeter player and doesn't have the game to do it.

Bibby-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Joel Anthony in 2011. That team is awful inside, has no primary ballhandler, Kobe and Wade would have to take turns constantly, and Kobe in 2011 got completely owned and outplayed by Jason Terry in the WCSF, so why would he do any better in the Finals?

Chalmers-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Haslem in 2012. That lineup might be even worse. You think they're taking out Boston, a team Kobe always underperformed against?

Chalmers-Ray-Kobe-Wade-Bosh in 2013. Hard to see how that even works. And with the main backups being Miller and Battier....well, at least they had Birdman as a backup big.

Chalmers-old Ray-Kobe-hurt Wade-Bosh in 2014. That team gets rolled bad by San Antonio, because the Spurs beat the Heat with incredible offensive efficiency, and with Kobe instead of Bron they would get mauled even worse.

Kobe would be lucky to pull ONE ring out of Bron's Heat teams.


And Lebron was 2-1 with prime Wade and Bosh. 2014 Wade was injured and ineffective, only averaged 16ppg on shytty shooting, he wasn't "prime Wade". Bosh was hurt and missed half the playoffs in 2012 too, but Bron won anyway. I don't know where the hell you got the bullshyt "2-4" from.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Give Kobe prime Wade and Bosh, and that team would be a mess because Kobe has NEVER co-existed with another high-usage perimeter player and doesn't have the game to do it.

Bibby-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Joel Anthony in 2011. That team is awful inside, has no primary ballhandler, Kobe and Wade would have to take turns constantly, and Kobe in 2011 got completely owned and outplayed by Jason Terry in the WCSF, so why would he do any better in the Finals?

Chalmers-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Haslem in 2012. That lineup might be even worse. You think they're taking out Boston, a team Kobe always underperformed against?

Chalmers-Ray-Kobe-Wade-Bosh in 2013. Hard to see how that even works. And with the main backups being Miller and Battier....well, at least they had Birdman as a backup big.

Chalmers-old Ray-Kobe-hurt Wade-Bosh in 2014. That team gets rolled bad by San Antonio, because the Spurs beat the Heat with incredible offensive efficiency, and with Kobe instead of Bron they would get mauled even worse.

Kobe would be lucky to pull ONE ring out of Bron's Heat teams.


And Lebron was 2-1 with prime Wade and Bosh. 2014 Wade was injured and ineffective, only averaged 16ppg on shytty shooting, he wasn't "prime Wade". Bosh was hurt and missed half the playoffs in 2012 too, but Bron won anyway. I don't know where the hell you got the bullshyt "2-4" from.

They don't even reach the finals in 2012 if you swap Kobe for James. He averaged 33.6/11/3.9/1/1.3 on 52.7% shooting that series against the best defense in basketball while having major defensive responsibilities too. Kobe shot 40% in both finals against Boston. shyt, they probably get beat in the semifinals against the pacers with Kobe instead of James, and we all saw the 2011 western semifinals between Dallas and Los Angeles

 

[Raw Sauce]

The wizards have he lowest all time winning percentage of any NBA team ever at .453. They haven't even reached the 50 win mark since magic Johnson and Larry bird were still in college. Since Jordan was still in high school. Why would anyone go there?

What was the Cavs' record in the four years without LeBron James?

.312

And it didn't stop him from coming back and doing work. Meanwhile Durant looked at a team with a .549 record over the previous four seasons, looked at Bron and was like.... nah. Same as every other superstar that hasn't come East in their prime.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

What was the Cavs' record in the four years without LeBron James?

.312

And it didn't stop him from coming back and doing work. Meanwhile Durant looked at a team with a .549 record over the previous four seasons, looked at Bron and was like.... nah. Same as every other superstar that hasn't come East in their prime.

You're comparing a 4 year stretch to a teams all time mark. Nobody has ever thought "I want to win a championship first and foremost so I'm gonna join the wizards". They have not been a championship contender for nearly 40 years. That's like a free agent in hockey deciding he's gonna sign with the islanders when they've won just a single playoff series from 1994 through today.

 

[Young Fab]

-Kobe is 5-2 in the finals. the stats show he wins when he gets to the finals more likely than not, same cant be said for Bron
-The Lakers got swept by the eventual champs. but he wasnt playing with two-all stars to pick up the slack like Bron..whats your point? Ive made mine
-Kobe didnt not play in the 2013 playoffs

you should do your homework before engaging in serious sports discussion

Yea cause he wasn't the best player on his own team in the Finals more likely than not PLUS he played inferior competition once he got to the Finals more likely than not

 

[Young Fab]

Give Kobe prime Wade and Bosh, and that team would be a mess because Kobe has NEVER co-existed with another high-usage perimeter player and doesn't have the game to do it.

Bibby-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Joel Anthony in 2011. That team is awful inside, has no primary ballhandler, Kobe and Wade would have to take turns constantly, and Kobe in 2011 got completely owned and outplayed by Jason Terry in the WCSF, so why would he do any better in the Finals?

Chalmers-Kobe-Wade-Bosh-Haslem in 2012. That lineup might be even worse. You think they're taking out Boston, a team Kobe always underperformed against?

Chalmers-Ray-Kobe-Wade-Bosh in 2013. Hard to see how that even works. And with the main backups being Miller and Battier....well, at least they had Birdman as a backup big.

Chalmers-old Ray-Kobe-hurt Wade-Bosh in 2014. That team gets rolled bad by San Antonio, because the Spurs beat the Heat with incredible offensive efficiency, and with Kobe instead of Bron they would get mauled even worse.

Kobe would be lucky to pull ONE ring out of Bron's Heat teams.


And Lebron was 2-1 with prime Wade and Bosh. 2014 Wade was injured and ineffective, only averaged 16ppg on shytty shooting, he wasn't "prime Wade". Bosh was hurt and missed half the playoffs in 2012 too, but Bron won anyway. I don't know where the hell you got the bullshyt "2-4" from.

Kobe stans are idiots bruh, period.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Yea cause he wasn't the best player on his own team in the Finals more likely than not PLUS he played inferior competition once he got to the Finals more likely than not

He was a star on that lakers team and besides 2000, put up superstar numbers in most of those wins. Even averaged more PPG than Shaq in the playoffs. So again I ask what's this best player on the team shyt mean and why doesn't this shyt apply when we talk about the 04 finals? While that was Kobe's worse display, ever, The fact that the defense stopped Shaq enough to give Kobe that green light in the first place....

Even if you take away the pacers series, that's 4-2 vs 3-4

 

[FTBS]

nikkas gotta start going East

Look at CP3. He chose to stay where the Spurs, Grizz, OKC, and now Warriors are waiting for him in the 2nd round

Deron, Melo, and Amare all tried that and were worse off for it.