madness
Taking my talents to South Beach
But he's allegedly a diehard Laker fan. He wouldn't root for his own team to lose, would he?
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He's more of a Kobe fan than a laker fanBut he's allegedly a diehard Laker fan. He wouldn't root for his own team to lose, would he?
madness
Taking my talents to South Beach
As he should be. Kobe was a good player. Top 150 no doubt.
If 2% lower than Kobe at the distances they actually shoot is "some of the worst in NBA history", then how bad are Kobe's #'s?
That 10-16 foot shot is the worst to take for almost anyone other than a tall big who can set up and shoot over guys easily from there. It has all the negatives of having to drive into the defense (potential turnover, potential block, clogging up lane) and none of the advantages of getting a higher % shot or spreading the floor. There's a reason Bron took less than 10% of his shots from there while Kobe took almost twice as many. Taking all those close midrange but only making 43% of them hurt his team.
From every other distance, Bron's %'s are almost the same or superior to Kobe. And the differences where he has the advantage are larger - Bron is 10% better at the basket which is the highest % shot and 2% better from 3pt which is a bigger gap cause they take more and those are worth more.
Ozymandeas
Veteran
The 2000s Pistons and Celtics were former/aging all stars and role players coming together. Guys who were always considered good but never the face of the league. Focus on team ball rather than iso ball. Defensive minded blue collar team. Most of the players had never won a ring. Low scoring team.
The 2010s Heat were a team with two young superstars in their prime and a young all star level player. Bron and Wade were both seen as the face of the league along with Kobe. Wade had already won a ring and a finals mvp. High flying offense.
It’s apples and oranges.
Ozymandeas
Veteran
3 pointers
Lebron 34% career at 4.5 per game
Kobe 33% career at 4.1 per game
Bu bu but Kobe made the difficult shots.
You just unwittingly proved my point about “narrative” and “bias” determining who’s efficient and who’s a chucker because those numbers are nearly identical. And yes Mr. Check My Stats cares much more about his fg percentage.
only a 3 yr avg age difference between the 00s Celtics and the 10s Heat top 3 players doesn't constitute and apples and oranges scenario IMO
why wouldn't a player care about percentages?
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
Your hate from Lebron came from the moment he jumped on the pro Balck wave around the time he spoke out for Trayvon Martin. You ain’t fooling nobody here. I already called you out for being racist. You only liked Kobe because he was never as revolutionary as Lebron.
I called you out on this before and I’m gonna keep doing it
If you think 35% and 33% are nearly identical, then you'd also say that Bron's %'s from midrange are nearly identical to Kobe as well. And that destroys the argument that Kobe is a vastly superior midrange shooter.
Kobe isn't a chucker because he shoots 2% worse than LeBron from 3pt, Kobe is a chucker because he takes a ton of ill-advised, low-% shots when he should be feeding his elite teammates.
In 2002 Kobe was matched with prime Shaq and shooters yet still took 20 shots a game
In 2001 Kobe had those same teammates and took 22 shots a game
In 2003 Kobe had prime Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Fox, George.....yet he took TWENTY-FOUR shots a game
Same shyt happened 2008-2013 - Kobe took 20-23 shots every single year while Pau just got 12-13 shots
And they weren't just any shots. Kobe takes the greatest # of shots from midrange where he's least effective. Shoots just 40% from 16-23 and they're only worth 2, but he takes 27% of his shots from there. Shoots just 43% from 10-16 and takes another 17% of this shots from there. And with all those elite teammates (and never really having a PG on the team either), he still couldn't average over 6 assists/game even once in his career.
Taking nearly 10 shots a game from that inefficient 41% clip range when he could be feeding elite bigs and 3pt shooters instead is what makes him a chucker.
Compare that to Bron - every season from 2011-2021, when Bron had even one elite teammate, he never took 20 shots/game in any season. And the shots he did take were leaning into the highest-efficiency ones, the ones that help his team the most, rather than chucking up 40% two-pointers. Meanwhile he's averaging 7-8-9 assists/game every year setting up his teammates for high-% shots and open threes.
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
He has been hating Lebron since Lebron went pro Black. That’s when that guy went mental
links? I'm curious....
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
This is such revionist history.
2004 Pistons
Billups 25yo
Hamilton 27yo
Prince 23yo
Wallace 29yo
Wallace 29yo
How the fukk are those "former/aging stars and role players"? The 2004 Pistons were a young team that hadn't done shyt, most of those guys where still in their prime through 2008.
'07-'08 Celtics weren't "former aging stars" either, they were all current stars.
Ray Allen was 32yo, averaged 26-5-4 the year before and kept making All-Star teams until 2011
Paul Pierce was 30yo, averaged 25-6-4 the year before and kept making All-NBA team until 2009 and All-Star teams until 2012
Kevin Garnett was 31yo, averaged 22-13-4 the year before and was an MVP candidate in 2008, made All-NBA in 2008 and All-Star until 2013
The Celtics were three CURRENT stars. They were near the end of their primes but all three were still in their primes. 2008-2010 you had Ray/Pierce/KG in the same stage of their career as Wade/Bosh were in 2012-2014, in both cases they were guys moving from end-of-prime to post-prime but still all-stars.
And you must have completely forgotten but the 2012-2014 Heat were a defense-minded, team-oriented squad as well. Top-10 defensive rating every year including #4 in 2012, based on an aggressive moving trapping defense. Tons of ball movement with three different distributors and no one averaging more than 18 shots/game. Past 2011 they weren't living off iso ball at all.
@Sccit what say you?