Originalgangsta317
Banned
Lebron will never see 10 RPG breh, f*ck outta here
Oscar not even averaging 10 RPG for his career,so what are you even talking about?
LeBron has now lost 4 Finals series
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Oscar not even averaging 10 RPG for his career,so what are you even talking about?
LexDiamonds
Superstar
Man it aint Lebron fault he plays in this era,if thats the case Oscar's numbers are inflated because he was playing against less athletic players,while Lebron playing against the best athlete's ever. Get outta here
Nah Breh I'm saying Oscars numbers are inflated cause it was a track meet in the 60s. I agree Lebron is MUCH better, my argument is for him.
The problem is nobody uses that variable when talking about Finals Records. The format is usually wins-loses not wins-appearances.
LexDiamonds
Superstar
So Elgin's numbers are inflated even though Bron has a higher usage rate than a championship PG? You didn't see the nikka taking 30+ shots a game?
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/05/26/lebron-james-cavaliers-hawks-usage-rate-nba-finals-kyrie-irving
That was that 1 series where Kyrie, and Love went down. Historically Lebron is incredibly efficient, and will resume it when everyone is back. Baylor aint win shyt, and Bron at 30 is already top 5, with like 3-4 more all-nba 1st team season left in him.
Originalgangsta317
Banned
O ok just making sure
It's interchangeable, my top 5 is fluid to be honest, but these are a short list of players I'd rank over Lebron:
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Oscar
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
These are the types of players I'd say Lebron is more or less on par with:
Olajuwon
Drexler
Isaiah
etc.
I would say at this point Lebron is definitely top 25, after that it depends on what you look at. Here's my criteria:
Degree of difficulty faced
- E.g. the 80s NBA, the 90s Eastern Conference, and the '00s Western Conference were all full of GOAT type teams
Who didn't win because of them
-All the players I mentioned as being better than Lebron have HOF players who never won championships because of them, e.g.
Jordan - Malone, Stockton, Gary Payton, Ewing, Barkley, are all players who should have probably had rings
Kobe- Chris Webber, Allen Iverson, T-Mac, Dwight are all players who probably would have had rings
Lebron's list reading like Deshaun Stevenson and Gilbert Arenas
Did they dominate at the highest level?
-All the players I mentioned have winning records in the finals, were the direct reason for those records, and were generally considered by the peers to be the best at the time. Can't say that for the King
Would their squad be considered a GOAT squad?
-Everybody I mentioned were on teams that were arguably GOATs. Can we say that for the Heat?
Did they dominate their position on the floor?
- Never a question in any situation Kobe was the best SG on the floor. I saw Iggy and Kawhi give 'Bron that work in the NBA finals 2x in a row. Let's be real, that wouldn't happen to Jordan, that wouldn't happen to Kobe, we already know Magic would have gotten busy
While stats are a factor, they don't tell the whole story. I don't use stats to compare different eras that much. I'm very sure if Bird or Dr. J played the point forward position their assists would be way up as well. HOpe that explains my position for you
I agree with everything you said except with regards Olajuwon. I have him in my top 10 and definitely over Bron.
It's interchangeable, my top 5 is fluid to be honest, but these are a short list of players I'd rank over Lebron:
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Oscar
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
These are the types of players I'd say Lebron is more or less on par with:
Olajuwon
Drexler
Isaiah
etc.
I would say at this point Lebron is definitely top 25, after that it depends on what you look at. Here's my criteria:
Degree of difficulty faced
- E.g. the 80s NBA, the 90s Eastern Conference, and the '00s Western Conference were all full of GOAT type teams
Who didn't win because of them
-All the players I mentioned as being better than Lebron have HOF players who never won championships because of them, e.g.
Jordan - Malone, Stockton, Gary Payton, Ewing, Barkley, are all players who should have probably had rings
Kobe- Chris Webber, Allen Iverson, T-Mac, Dwight are all players who probably would have had rings
Lebron's list reading like Deshaun Stevenson and Gilbert Arenas
We gonna act like he didn't stop durant snd westbrook from getting one
Also stopped many stars who already had one from getting more
Dumb ass logic. What grown ass man who considers himself the greatest would conceit to losing on purpose to avoid losing in The Finals
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
Man it aint Lebron fault he plays in this era,if thats the case Oscar's numbers are inflated because he was playing against less athletic players,while Lebron playing against the best athlete's ever. Get outta here
A few factoids
He was 12 rebounds away from becoming the first player in playoff history to lead the ENTIRE playoffs in points, rebounds, and assists.
In 2015, he was first in points, FGs, assists, and 2nd in reboudning.
In 2013, he was first in points, FGs, assists, and 2nd in rebounding.
In 2012, he was first in points, FGs, rebounding, and second in assists.
(This was before the 32/18/9 stats from game 6 were included)
Jerry West averaged 37.9/4.7/7.4 in the 1969 Finals.
If you adjust Lebron's 36.8/12.4/8.8 to the pace played in that series between the LAL and NYK, James's statline would look like this:
50/17/12
Originalgangsta317
Banned
A few factoids
He was 12 rebounds away from becoming the first player in playoff history to lead the ENTIRE playoffs in points, rebounds, and assists.
In 2015, he was first in points, FGs, assists, and 2nd in reboudning.
In 2013, he was first in points, FGs, assists, and 2nd in rebounding.
In 2012, he was first in points, FGs, rebounding, and second in assists.
(This was before the 32/18/9 stats from game 6 were included)
Jerry West averaged 37.9/4.7/7.4 in the 1969 Finals.
If you adjust Lebron's 36.8/12.4/8.8 to the pace played in that series between the LAL and NYK, James's statline would look like this:
50/17/12
King shyt like I expected
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
We gonna act like he didn't stop durant snd westbrook from getting one
Also stopped many stars who already had one from getting more
I think Bron/Wade stopping KD/Westbrook from getting one and giving the all time great Spurs an L in the finals (no matter how close/fortunate) has to count for something
There's probably a part of Bron that realizes he would have stopped Steph/Klay from getting one this year if Kyrie were healthy...
or if he just stayed with Wade for one more year before opting out
@Miami316Man wtf you want us to say?This is what I'm saying. On all the big forums they are gonna give him yet another pass
Ok fukk we'll stoop your level
Man Lebron should have averaged 100 points shooting 99% to beat the best and HEALTIEST TEAM in the league I don't care if he had to jump from half court and stretch his arm out to score on some
Happy now?
Cant talk sense to you fukking hatersYou can't talk sense to LeBron fans though. They have an excuse every year as these Finals losses keep piling up....
Beat a bunch of sorry ass teams in the East and then get washed in the Finals over and over and still be called one of the best ever......
Have a 2-1 lead with Game 4 at home and then lose 3 straight and still be called one of the best ever.....
Logic sense, and reality don't exist to you fukk ass nikkas
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Dont remind me man. Titles were left on the table here in the sunshine stateI think Bron/Wade stopping KD/Westbrook from getting one and giving the all time great Spurs an L in the finals (no matter how close/fortunate) has to count for something
There's probably a part of Bron that realizes he would have stopped Steph/Klay from getting one this year if Kyrie were healthy...
or if he just stayed with Wade for one more year before opting out
. Runs that historic aren't supposed to last just 4 years.Also stopped paul george as well as kept kg and pierce at 1 and prevented ray allen from getting another til they teamed up. Dude said arenas and Stevenson. The disrespectI think Bron/Wade stopping KD/Westbrook from getting one and giving the all time great Spurs an L in the finals (no matter how close/fortunate) has to count for something
There's probably a part of Bron that realizes he would have stopped Steph/Klay from getting one this year if Kyrie were healthy...
or if he just stayed with Wade for one more year before opting out
