Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[Wargames]

I see some media pundits trying to spin a good deal. they want you to believe the deal was Dennis Smith for KP, when it's much more. We got 2 1st rounders (one unprotected) all our bad contracts off the books for two expiring deals and DSjr. All for a currently injured player that has a contract due themselves.

No other team would offer that and we know this. This deal is basically a heist.

Yeah the "lolknicks" narrative was set by the initial reports not mentioning the 2 picks coming back, also a lot of pundits keep saying "A player on their rookie deal" when they know KP needs to get paid this summer. Knicks basically had KP his whole rookie deal.

Now no one in the media is heavily reporting how weird/disrespectful his tweets are, how he already threatened to take a QO before even got to Dallas, and how even Cuban had to take back his initial statement about him playing immediately cause it legit looks like he'll be out most if not the entire season.

A heist? The first rounders will probably be mid first rounders. They’re only a few games under 500 now and when Luka gets better and if KP plays well they’ll be real good.

You don’t know if other teams would have taken on those contracts you’re just guessing

If the Knocks gets shut out in free agency and KP does somehow stay healthy(I realize that’s a huge IF) this will be one of the worst deals ever

So far no one has traded multiple first round picks in the last decade, and not regretted it later. In a lot of cases with big contracts those picks are the only way to have legit depth. The Mavs roster, in particular, is going to have some legit basketball roster issues as well, even if they stay healthy.

The most cap space they'll have should be this year, but the FA class is legit weak outside of stars and they no longer have that type of money, and they have to Max KP this summer. They have no PG (or at least anyone to defend PG's) and may not have a draft pick this year. Us not sending them Frank legit works in our benefit because he is the exact type of PG they needed next to Doncic and KP.

Also, we've had those debates on if KP is a 4 or a 5 and how to find him a rebounding big who can defend the perimeter. We found that in Mitch, Mav's don't have Mitch and guys like Mitch aren't easy to find.

Plus, KP needs to be maxed now (and his antics say he wants the full amount). So how much cap space they have going forward is also an issue. The Mavs have never been a hot FA destination so they could use that money to build the overall roster. Though they legit will likely have cap issues for the next couple of years because of the staggering way their current contracts work, and they won't have picks for most of those years. The odds of them getting a third piece is low.

I'm not saying the Mavs will be bad, but this is as much a long haul move for them as us. Its going to take them time to build a legit team around KP/Doncic. Possibly just as long a rebuild as the Knicks will go through if we end up missing on Max FA and go full youth movement.

 

[DPresidential]

@Frump

You are a non-NYK exec in a year before two consecutive off-season with top tier talent being free agents and Zion Williamson in the draft...

KP has the potential to be a top 5 player in league...

But he's coming off of a year and a half hiatus as a result of an ACL injury and he's 7'3.

Oh... And he is serious about taking Qualified offer and leaving money on table because his brother cares more about legacy/ control than money...


How much are you willing to leverage in order to acquire KP under those circumstances?

 

[Frump]

Yeah the "lolknicks" narrative was set by the initial reports not mentioning the 2 picks coming back, also a lot of pundits keep saying "A player on their rookie deal" when they know KP needs to get paid this summer. Knicks basically had KP his whole rookie deal.

Now no one in the media is heavily reporting how weird/disrespectful his tweets are, how he already threatened to take a QO before even got to Dallas, and how even Cuban had to take back his initial statement about him playing immediately cause it legit looks like he'll be out most if not the entire season.



So far no one has traded multiple first round picks in the last decade, and not regretted it later. In a lot of cases with big contracts those picks are the only way to have legit depth. The Mavs roster, in particular, is going to have some legit basketball roster issues as well, even if they stay healthy.

The most cap space they'll have should be this year, but the FA class is legit weak outside of stars and they no longer have that type of money, and they have to Max KP this summer. They have no PG (or at least anyone to defend PG's) and may not have a draft pick this year. Us not sending them Frank legit works in our benefit because he is the exact type of PG they need.

Also, we've had those debates on if KP is a 4 or a 5 and how to find him a rebounding big who can defend the perimeter. We found that in Mitch, Mav's don't have Mitch and guys like Mitch aren't easy to find.

Plus, KP needs to be maxed now (and his antics say he wants the full amount). So how much cap space they have going forward is also an issue. The Mavs have never been a hot FA destination so they could use that money to build the overall roster. Though they legit will likely have cap issues for the next couple of years because of the staggering way their current contracts work, and they won't have picks for most of those years. The odds of them getting a third piece is low.

I'm not saying the Mavs will be bad, but this is as much a long haul move for them as us. Its going to take them time to build a legit team around KP/Doncic. Possibly just as long a rebuild as the Knicks will go through if we end up missing on Max FA and go full youth movement.

They have Doncic a legit guy you can build a franchise around that’s a hell of a start.

The Nba is about having those type of franchise players. You worry about role players after you find a franchise player which some teams NEVER find. I’d much rather be in their position with the franchise player and worrying how to build a team around him then not having that player. It’s much easier to find role players.

Also I know KP has huge question marks injury wise but a 23 year old with franchise player potential being traded in a salary dump is unheard of! Just think about that for a second and how crazy it sounds.

Knicks better pray KP’s career is injury riddled and/ or they get a KD/Kyrie level players from th cap space or this trade cold be historically bad.

The Knicks put all their chips on the table and went all in. They must know something about KD and Kyries plans to do this I hope

 

[Frump]

@Frump

You are a non-NYK exec in a year before two consecutive off-season with top tier talent being free agents and Zion Williamson in the draft...

KP has the potential to be a top 5 player in league...

But he's coming off of a year and a half hiatus as a result of an ACL injury and he's 7'3.

Oh... And he is serious about taking Qualified offer and leaving money on table because his brother cares more about legacy/ control than money...


How much are you willing to leverage in order to acquire KP under those circumstances?

I don’t buy he’s taking the QO until I see it

Regardless you gamble when it’s a player that young and with THAT much talent.

Sure it could backfire but it could also be a steal of the century . They gave up DSJ who’s blah and what’s probably gonna be picks anywhere from 13-20 most of those players don’t even make it to their second contract

I also find it comical how people here say well if we strike out in FA we’ll just continue to rebuild first off that’s not happening this FO is putting all their chips on the table and going all in

Secondly let’s say hypothetically you did continue to rebuild well then you’d pray to get lucky enough to find another player as talented as KP in the draft

 

[seemorecizzy]

idk what kings ransom you were expecting for kp
we werent getting cap flexibility, a young player, and draft picks from multiple teams in exchange for an injured player
in all likelihood thats the best we could have done, and frankly its a good spot for him to go to anyway.
I wish kp the best of luck, he's more potential than production at this point. hopefully that flips for him.
you're in your feelings. He didnt want to be here. You the type to beg a girl to stay around get a backbone[/QUOTE]

 

[momma]

You don’t know if other teams would have taken on those contracts you’re just guessing

There's no guesswork here. Very few teams have the cap to take on those contracts + long-term cap to re-sign KP + offer us shyt in return without sacrificing their long-term core. Out of those few teams, I don't even know if there's 2 who can offer even more extra good shyt in return like DSJ (who's been on the trade block for months) + future 1st round picks

 

[Wargames]

They have Doncic a legit guy you can build a franchise around that’s a hell of a start.

The Nba is about having those type of franchise players. You worry about role players after you find a franchise player which some teams NEVER find. I’d much rather be in their position with the franchise player and worrying how to build a team around him then not having that player. It’s much easier to find role players.

Also I know KP has huge question marks injury wise but a 23 year old with franchise player potential being traded in a salary dump is unheard of! Just think about that for a second and how crazy it sounds.

Knicks better pray KP’s career is injury riddled and/ or they get a KD/Kyrie level players from th cap space or this trade could be historically bad.

The Knicks put all their chips on the table and went all in. They must know something about KD and Kyries plans to do this I hope

You're right, and I do think that if KP is healthy in about 5 years the Mavs will be legit nice, but we should get a good pick from them in 2021. Also let's see how he holds up out west, A lot more legit Centers out there and a lot more PF who can shoot the 3 forcing him to guard the perimeter at the 4, and well I'm gonna just say lets see how it plays out.

A lot of our fondness for him was based on potential. Lets see if he can live up to it in a more hostile environment.

 

[Frump]

You're right, and I do think that if KP is healthy in about 5 years the Mavs will be legit nice, but we should get a good pick from them in 2021. Also let's see how he holds up out west, A lot more legit Centers out there and a lot more PF who can shoot the 3 forcing him to guard the perimeter at the 4, and well I'm gonna just say lets see how it plays out.

A lot of our fondness for him was based on potential. Lets see if he can live up to it in a more hostile environment.

Oh beleive me I realize it would have been a roll of the dice with KP and he’s not a guarantee but this is some unprecedented sh1t to get rid of a 23 year old with franchise player potential for a fukkin salary dump injury concerns or not.

The Knicks put their balls on the table and went ALL the fukkin way in

This deal could be something that will be remembered as the turning point in franchise history if we get Kd/Kyrie but it could also go down as a historically bad trade where we gave up a 23 year old star in a salary dump.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Steve Mills is still here and he’s been a huge part of the problem along with Dolan

I somewhat agree but I believe Perry and Fizdale have more creative control on what to do.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

All signs point to Knicks FO sitting dude against his will in order to sustain the tank.

shyts been fukked up from the jump. Fizdale coming out and saying dude isn't running 9 months after the surgery and then he immediately posts an IG pic of him sprinting on a track... Mindblowing. That alone explains his anger and frustration.

Knicks were trying to do him dirty. Making everyone believe he was soft, frail, injured Euro. Going into contract year. They could have seriously fukked up his money. Wouldn't you be pissed at that?

I get why you guys have soured on him. KP could have been a little more patient and understood the direction of the team and the plan to acquire assets, but he's also trying to get paid and showcase his talent. NYK front office was lying on his name and making him look like a dude who wasn't rehabbing and a total gimp almost a year after his surgery.

His cryptic tweets right now SCREAM "I've been healthy, they're just tanking and feeding you all bullshyt" and the story checks out, does it not?

Just saying. You brehs are mad at KP. Understandable. But your front office really fukked this shyt up to begin with. It's not cool to treat your star player like that.

KP felt like he had no security. And rightfully so. Phil tried to trade him. You guys ran Melo out of town. Seems like he was shelved for the tank and then his own damn coach out here lying about his health. It's pretty understandable why dude asked for trade. KP didn't stand by the organization, but the organization didn't stand by him either.

Never seen some shyt like this from a top 20 player this young. And let's not get it twisted, he was easily top 20 last season before he got hurt. Dude was top 2 PF in the game alongside AD.

 

[Wargames]

Oh beleive me I realize it would have been a roll of the dice with KP and he’s not a guarantee but this is some unprecedented sh1t to get rid of a 23 year old with franchise player potential injury concerns or not.

The Knicks put their balls on the table and went ALL the fukkin way in

This deal could be something that will be remembered as the turning point in franchise history if we get Kd/Kyrie but it could also go down as a historically bad trade where we have up a 23 year old star in a salary dump.

True, however, KP had to get paid. He's not going to be cheap and he has been injured/fading every season he's been in NY. I was willing to see the knicks build around him still, but don't forget he said he didn't want to be in NY. His first tweet showed what he really thought, and he's been acting weird since.

Anyhow

Knicks next year:

DSJ
Frank
Zion/RJ/Reddish
Knox
Mitch

Trier
Dotson

Even if that's not enough for Kyrie/KD its not a horrible young Knicks squad. Also if they do get Kyrie I think DSJ can be moved for something positive elsewhere (like the Suns). There is legit young talent on the roster.

Knicks could add on other youth or talent by moving some of them or taking on large contracts for youth/picks from other teams.

The only negative is if the Knicks didn't learn from Timmy Jr and give large maxes to Tobias Harris and Middleton or Kemba when they aren't superstar tier.

 

[Wargames]

All signs point to Knicks FO sitting dude against his will in order to sustain the tank.

shyts been fukked up from the jump. Fizdale coming out and saying dude isn't running 9 months after the surgery and then he immediately posts an IG pic of him sprinting on a track... Mindblowing. That alone explains his anger and frustration.

Knicks were trying to do him dirty. Making everyone believe he was soft, frail, injured Euro. Going into contract year. They could have seriously fukked up his money. Wouldn't you be pissed at that?

I get why you guys have soured on him. KP could have been a little more patient and understood the direction of the team and the plan to acquire assets, but he's also trying to get paid and showcase his talent. NYK front office was lying on his name and making him look like a dude who wasn't rehabbing and a total gimp almost a year after his surgery.

His cryptic tweets right now SCREAM "I've been healthy, they're just tanking and feeding you all bullshyt" and the story checks out, does it not?

Just saying. You brehs are mad at KP. Understandable. But your front office really fukked this shyt up to begin with. It's not cool to treat your star player like that.

KP felt like he had no security. And rightfully so. Phil tried to trade him. You guys ran Melo out of town. Seems like he was shelved for the tank and then his own damn coach out here lying about his health. It's pretty understandable why dude asked for trade. KP didn't stand by the organization, but the organization didn't stand by him either.

Never seen some shyt like this from a top 20 player this young. And let's not get it twisted, he was easily top 20 last season before he got hurt. Dude was top 2 PF in the game alongside AD.

Nah man, KP is legit out. He might comeback but I doubt its before mid March/April if at all. No one knows what is going on with him.

 

[23Barrettcity]

They have Doncic a legit guy you can build a franchise around that’s a hell of a start.

The Nba is about having those type of franchise players. You worry about role players after you find a franchise player which some teams NEVER find. I’d much rather be in their position with the franchise player and worrying how to build a team around him then not having that player. It’s much easier to find role players.

Also I know KP has huge question marks injury wise but a 23 year old with franchise player potential being traded in a salary dump is unheard of! Just think about that for a second and how crazy it sounds.

Knicks better pray KP’s career is injury riddled and/ or they get a KD/Kyrie level players from th cap space or this trade cold be historically bad.

The Knicks put all their chips on the table and went all in. They must know something about KD and Kyries plans to do this I hope

This trade could be historically bad from both sides . I know as Knicks fans we are trained to be pessimistic but on our end we got a bunch of avenues to deem this trade a success ( a top FA , other contracts to trade and potential lottery picks ) and we got to keep our upcoming lottery pick and Knox and mitch and frank . Even if we strike out on FA we got picks coming up . The mavs have to hope KP Stays Healthy and is better than he showed with the Knicks for a whole season ( something he has never did )

 

[Serious]

memphis bout to out tank yall wit DJ

 

[Wallychamp]

Damn. Will this hurt our chances of the tank with Jordan and DSJ?