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[storyteller]

There is reportedly 'NBA-wide' trade interest in Knicks' Frank Ntilikina

There is "NBA-wide" trade interest in Knicks second-year guard Frank Ntilikina, according to The Athletic's Mike Vorkunov.

The Orlango Magic are among the teams interested in him, while the Philadelphia 76ers were scouting him during Wednesday's Knicks-76ers game, according to Vorkunov.

The 20-year-old Ntilikina, New York's first-round pick in 2017, has been held scoreless in back-to-back games and four times in the past 10, however a different scout told Vorkunov that Ntilikina is "intriguing" as a player.

Drafted as a point guard, Ntilikina has spent time in other positions on the court, including at the 2 and 3 given his 7-foot wingspan.

Though he has struggled on offense -- he has scored in double figures just thrice this season -- the 6-foot-6 Ntilikina has focused on his defense over his first two seasons in the league.

His averages on offense this season -- 5.9 points, 2.7 assists and 1.9 rebounds per game -- are similar to what he averaged as a rookie (5.9/3.2/2.3). His PER this year (5.7) is lower than it was last season (7.0), however his VORP has slightly improved from -0.8 to -0.4.

Ntilikina started the first 14 games of the season but has come off the bench behind Emmanuel Mudiay in the last nine, as head coach David Fizdale has continued to test different starting lineups in his first season at the helm.

The Knicks already exercised their third-year, $4.9 million option on Ntilikina's rookie contract, but that hasn't stopped speculation that the Knicks could deal him.

A 20 year old with this kid's defensive prowess is a player that every team will at least look at to see if they can make him work offensively. This at least seems to confirm the rumors over the summer about other teams valuing him whether our FO does or not (although it did sound like Mills does last year).

 

[RickyGQ]

yall think ppl be picking on frank but its not even that.

yall gotta understand, players like mudiay, trey, mario etc more den likely have no future with dis team. none of em are comin back because of cap.

mitchell is a second rounder, trier was undrafted. they are both exceedin expectations, no one expected much from them

knox is underperforming but he has only played 20 games

frank is going into his second season, arugably plays the most imporant position on the team. we need to no asap whether hes up for the job or not. we not askin him to play like other players in his age range, we just expectin him come out and consistently play well.

cause if not, there point guards in the draft, theres point guards in free agency and we tryin ti get dis show on the road..

last year there were excuses about his age, and his professional league and all that. its not a excuse anymore

That’s fair. It notoriously takes PG longer to develop in the league tho. Most of the ones who hit the gates running are usually very superior athletes.

Honest critique, does Fizdale maybe have a blind spot for Euros? What if that plays a part in why he seems to not be able to connect with Frank like the other young guys? And what does that mean for KP?

 

[seemorecizzy]

its too early to trade frank unless we gettin a star back
hes makin pennies

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

They know exactly where to put him, on the bench. They don't think he's a competent PG, they don't trust his shot, they really have no use for him. I don't care what they say publicly supporting him, the game logs tell the story about what they truly feel about him

EXACTLY.

And who's to say Zo, Mudiay nor AI Lite won't be back next season.

 

[ikbm]

That’s fair. It notoriously takes PG longer to develop in the league tho. Most of the ones who hit the gates running are usually very superior athletes.

Honest critique, does Fizdale maybe have a blind spot for Euros? What if that plays a part in why he seems to not be able to connect with Frank like the other young guys? And what does that mean for KP?

kp is already broken in, and has the leader/star mentality already.
now is his body ready for it, thats a different story.
it has less to do with euro, it has to do with mentality and aggressiveness. point guards are just made differently out there as opposed to wings and front court players.
they're more likely to be pass first and that mentality needs to be broken

EXACTLY.

And who's to say Zo, Mudiay nor AI Lite won't be back next season.

zo will be back....solely cause just got him...and will likely put a 2 year deal on him cause we have rights.
Trey and mudiay in all likelihood wont be back if they play themselves into any kind of quality contract, and if they dont....why would we want them here????????
to be mediocre?
trey will be headed into his 7th year. mudiay his 5th.
you quick to call people trash in their second year....when these players have be stuck in mediocrity for more than several years
the mentality towards developing these players over rookies and 2nd year players is sickening. the knicks are a garbage team regardless
I'd rather be garbage pushing easily controllable younger players than relatively young players that have the possiblity of playing their way out of new york any fukking way

 

[Miles Davis]

Dude at Knicks Film School has made note of many of the problems we’re seeing. Defense being absent, too much iso, low assists, youth not getting many minutes.

Leadership in Suits: Grading the Knicks front office so far

Also, Dot has been a trade target of other teams.

 

[AntoineWalkerShimmy]

Dude at Knicks Film School has made note of many of the problems we’re seeing. Defense being absent, too much iso, low assists, youth not getting many minutes.

Leadership in Suits: Grading the Knicks front office so far

Also, Dot has been a trade target of other teams.

Trading Dotson would be trading Ariza all over again to me. 1.5 years as a Knick, never solidly developed/bounced around on a shyt team, goes somewhere else where a team develops him into a 3 & D guy.

 

[Miles Davis]

Trading Dotson would be trading Ariza all over again to me. 1.5 years as a Knick, never solidly developed/bounced around on a shyt team, goes somewhere else where a team develops him into a 3 & D guy.

Agreed, we shouldn’t be trading any of the young guys. We don’t know what they’re capable of and they’re still cheap. Which still infuriates me about the Willy trade.

 

[ikbm]

Trading Dotson would be trading Ariza all over again to me. 1.5 years as a Knick, never solidly developed/bounced around on a shyt team, goes somewhere else where a team develops him into a 3 & D guy.

i'd say trevor was a bit worse.
at the time trevor was the youngest player the knicks ever drafted. like 19.
dame dotson was practically 4-5 years older when he was drafted.
there isnt much left in dames development. I think he's a 3&D guy right now. he's practically at his ceiling, beyond being a little bit more consistency on his 3ball.
it's just about minutes and time to show production
the trevor ariza yal know today didnt exist for the first 7 years of his career unfortunately, atleast consistency wise.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

kp is already broken in, and has the leader/star mentality already.
now is his body ready for it, thats a different story.
it has less to do with euro, it has to do with mentality and aggressiveness. point guards are just made differently out there as opposed to wings and front court players.
they're more likely to be pass first and that mentality needs to be broken

zo will be back....solely cause just got him...and will likely put a 2 year deal on him cause we have rights.
Trey and mudiay in all likelihood wont be back if they play themselves into any kind of quality contract, and if they dont....why would we want them here????????
to be mediocre?
trey will be headed into his 7th year. mudiay his 5th.
you quick to call people trash in their second year....when these players have be stuck in mediocrity for more than several years
the mentality towards developing these players over rookies and 2nd year players is sickening. the knicks are a garbage team regardless
I'd rather be garbage pushing easily controllable younger players than relatively young players that have the possiblity of playing their way out of new york any fukking way

Knicks are not about to waste years developing some weak prospects, especially with the free agent pool coming up this summer

 

[ikbm]

Knicks are not about to waste years developing some weak prospects, especially with the free agent pool coming up this summer

no, YOU dont want to develop players...and this this is the typical mindset of the impatient knick fan.
the front office knows what its doing.
steve mills and perry has already said they're committed to development. fizdale is just confusing me.
it's funny you bring up the free agency pool, YOU think the knicks should tie up money in mediocrity we have right now over the pool
you want us to sign mudiay and trey back and trade frank.
you thinking like scott layden and isiah thomas
I bet you'd bring back enes kanter too

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

no, YOU dont want to develop players...and this this is the typical mindset of the impatient knick fan.
the front office knows what its doing.
steve mills and perry has already said they're committed to development. fizdale is just confusing me.
it's funny you bring up the free agency pool, YOU think the knicks should tie up money in mediocrity we have right now over the pool
you want us to sign mudiay and trey back and trade frank.
you thinking like scott layden and isiah thomas
I bet you'd bring back enes kanter too

So you honestly think the Knicks wouldn't bush this "development" if KD or someone like that signed here. They would obviously go to "win now" mode. Now cats slowly turning on Fiz cause he's not playing lil Frankie

Kanter is a double double machine & AI Lite brings offense which the Knicks would desperately need cause we know Frank ain't giving them it.:MJKnicks:

 

[Daniel.]

Trading Dotson would be trading Ariza all over again to me. 1.5 years as a Knick, never solidly developed/bounced around on a shyt team, goes somewhere else where a team develops him into a 3 & D guy.

Ariza being moved to this day pisses me off. Especially because you could see the talent was there. We have to be better about the pieces that are truly ours, long term. Reclamation projects will be great as a selling point, but we legit have KP, Dot, Trier, Knox, Mitch and Frank as our own. 6 legit pieces of a team. Any and every body else should be fodder and moving pieces to a higher goal

 

[ikbm]

So you honestly think the Knicks wouldn't bush this "development" if KD or someone like that signed here. They would obviously go to "win now" mode. Now cats slowly turning on Fiz cause he's not playing lil Frankie

Kanter is a double double machine & AI Lite brings offense which the Knicks would desperately need cause we know Frank ain't giving them it.:MJKnicks:

because signing kevin durant = trading any and every young player on the roster
did the lakers dump everyone on their roster the moment lebron got there???????????? answer me that
because its impossible to win with young players on a roster
kanter the double double machine that also completely disrupts offensive flow by clogging up the lane and is a defensive sieve...your boy. I bet you'd give him a 4 year 60 million dollar deal
the same AI lite that has offensive punch but also alienates the rest of the team when he starts pounding the ball. we arent the worst team assist wise for no reason.
too many players on the roster that know how to only do one thing. think for themselves.
your basketball analysis is one of someone who is 13 years old, not someone who actually perceives the sport on a deeper level beyond box scores
why is that all of our main ball handlers average less than 4 assists per game
trey, mr offense pounds the rock to a tune of 3.2 assists, our team leader
not even getting into emmanuel "the best passer on the team" mudiay averaging 2
the roster composition terrible.
we have too many ball handlers and not enough playmakers.
players just happy to have the ball in their hands.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

because signing kevin durant = trading any and every young player on the roster
did the lakers dump everyone on their roster the moment lebron got there???????????? answer me that
because its impossible to win with young players on a roster
kanter the double double machine that also completely disrupts offensive flow by clogging up the lane and is a defensive sieve...your boy. I bet you'd give him a 4 year 60 million dollar deal
the same AI lite that has offensive punch but also alienates the rest of the team when he starts pounding the ball. we arent the worst team assist wise for no reason.
too many players on the roster that know how to only do one thing. think for themselves.
your basketball analysis is one of someone who is 13 years old, not someone who actually perceives the sport on a deeper level beyond box scores
why is that all of our main ball handlers average less than 4 assists per game
trey, mr offense pounds the rock to a tune of 3.2 assists, our team leader
the roster composition terrible.
we have too many ball handlers and not enough playmakers.
players just happy to have the ball in their hands.

LMAO!!!!!