Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[storyteller]

he doesnt start at pg anymore because fitz (and horn before him) dont trust him at the position. seems like u blamin everyone except for frank.

Seems like you missed my point. You can't claim you're criticizing him because he "plays the most important position on the court" when he's playing SF and you're complaining about him. That's not blaming anybody for him playing at SF, it's just pointing out the reality of the situation. If you're going to rationalize why you complain about Frank's offense but ignore half the roster, complaining about his play at PG ain't the approach. The best unit on the team in terms of net rating is still one that had Frank at PG, but the sample size was only 7 games or so and at least looked like it would start to trend opposite...problem is we don't know because he doesn't play that role enough to make an assessment that's anything more than speculation.

 

[Miles Davis]

I think Trier and Dotson work better together because Timmy and Trier are chuckers.

Trier stil somewhat of a chucker but he’s gotten better moving the ball.

Everyone losing faith in this squad

Ima need y’all to relax and let this team and the coach figure things out. We got the youngest team in the league and y’all wilding because we got trounced by two playoff teams. This supposed to be a tank year remember. All I saw during the 3 game win streak was y’all talm about “what happened to the tank tho”

Make your fukkin minds up

I’m losing faith cause this ain’t a team that’s based on development and youth. Nothing being ran, it’s an offense for 4-5 people, there’s no emphasis on defense even though that’s what we were promised, Fiz playing favorites, Frank and Knox are being drowned. shyt ain’t fun to watch dudes who won’t be here. We could be doing so much for the youth but it don’t look or feel like we doing shyt. Put Frank at the point and let him run shyt, sink or swim, enough of the short leashes. Give Dot his minutes so he can do what he needs to. Stop allowing chuckers to run the offense and dribble the air out the ball or put up bad shots. Hold everyone accountable for bad play.

Like @storyteller said about Trier, he the only one looking for Mitch. Mitch and KP are our tallest players and we gonna need dudes to start taking advantage of that and work on lobs, there’s no excuse.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Seems like you missed my point. You can't claim you're criticizing him because he "plays the most important position on the court" when he's playing SF and you're complaining about him. That's not blaming anybody for him playing at SF, it's just pointing out the reality of the situation. If you're going to rationalize why you complain about Frank's offense but ignore half the roster, complaining about his play at PG ain't the approach. The best unit on the team in terms of net rating is still one that had Frank at PG, but the sample size was only 7 games or so and at least looked like it would start to trend opposite...problem is we don't know because he doesn't play that role enough to make an assessment that's anything more than speculation.

he doesnt play sf anymore
i was vocal in here about how i feel about that
point is, frank has a weird game and coaches dont no where to put him
it shouldnt be dis difficult

 

[RubioTheCruel]

point is, frank has a weird game and coaches dont no where to put him

They know exactly where to put him, on the bench. They don't think he's a competent PG, they don't trust his shot, they really have no use for him. I don't care what they say publicly supporting him, the game logs tell the story about what they truly feel about him

 

[storyteller]

he doesnt play sf anymore
i was vocal in here about how i feel about that
point is, frank has a weird game and coaches dont no where to put him
it shouldnt be dis difficult

He’s playing SF off the bench. Trey and Trier are the primary ball handlers and he’s used in the corners more than half the possessions he’s out there for meaningful minutes. His role is deep baseline on the vast majority of plays. Gaines went in for the Detroit game peep the thread



I don’t disagree that Fiz doesn’t trust him at PG; the only point is that frank’s fall off the map has been at SF.

Edit: also kinda crazy that the second unit primary ball handler didn’t make a single pass on 1/3rd of the possessions.

 

[MR. Conclusion]

They know exactly where to put him, on the bench. They don't think he's a competent PG, they don't trust his shot, they really have no use for him. I don't care what they say publicly supporting him, the game logs tell the story about what they truly feel about him

It really is this simple. Yet people continue to ignore the signs.

 

[storyteller]

Trier stil somewhat of a chucker but he’s gotten better moving the ball.
I’m losing faith cause this ain’t a team that’s based on development and youth. Nothing being ran, it’s an offense for 4-5 people, there’s no emphasis on defense even though that’s what we were promised, Fiz playing favorites, Frank and Knox are being drowned. shyt ain’t fun to watch dudes who won’t be here. We could be doing so much for the youth but it don’t look or feel like we doing shyt. Put Frank at the point and let him run shyt, sink or swim, enough of the short leashes. Give Dot his minutes so he can do what he needs to. Stop allowing chuckers to run the offense and dribble the air out the ball or put up bad shots. Hold everyone accountable for bad play.

Like @storyteller said about Trier, he the only one looking for Mitch. Mitch and KP are our tallest players and we gonna need dudes to start taking advantage of that and work on lobs, there’s no excuse.

All of this! I’m not saying that frank at pg will be the answer or that dot is going to become Middleton or that Knox would be rookie of the year with minutes and a proper role. I’m saying we have no good reason to put them in any position but the roles they’ll try out for next season. Whether frank figures out the PG position or flops; we’re a lottery team. Whether Dot maintains quality play or regresses; we’re a lottery team. Whether Knox thrives with more set plays and touches or not...still a lottery team.

The only difference is we’ll have a better idea of whether or not we should keep building these kids up or try to flip them while they’re young and intriguing prospects. I don’t even mind these guys coming off the bench, but put them in an optimal position for trial and error. That’s not happening right now and we’d be making a mistake to judge any of these kids before it does.

 

[Wargames]

They know exactly where to put him, on the bench. They don't think he's a competent PG, they don't trust his shot, they really have no use for him. I don't care what they say publicly supporting him, the game logs tell the story about what they truly feel about him

 

[RubioTheCruel]

The truth hurts

I like the kid, he's got an interesting toolset physically and I think with proper coaching and development he could be a useful part to any team but let's call a spade a spade.

 

[ikbm]

it would be peak knicks to invest into players(trey, mudiay) who likely wont be here next year over one thats controllable via rookie deal for a few more years.
say what you want, you think frank isn't good, that's fine. but logically it makes no sense to give all these other players more of a shot at his natural position than a point guard.
"trade an asset at its lowest value" - a dumbass.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

he doesnt play sf anymore
i was vocal in here about how i feel about that
point is, frank has a weird game and coaches dont no where to put him
it shouldnt be dis difficult

Frank is clearly a PG, a pass first one.
When he’s at the Pg spot the offense always functions better. The aggressiveness on the offense will come in due time...

I remember when we first drafted Frank, and they asked Tony Parker about him....he was like he’s going to be real good, I just don’t know if it’s going to happen In NY because they lack patience

I already see it in motion..

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I don't want to see Frank traded, especially when his value is at it's lowest. He's played pretty terribly so far, but these last few games have shown that he's not a sf or a sg, putting him at those spots has only made his play worse. It seems like Frank makes it as a pg in this league or he doesn't make it all. Let Frank play pg and let Trey and Mudiay play off ball more, the offense has been stagnant with those two at pg, so why not?

 

[Miles Davis]

it would be peak knicks to invest into players(trey, mudiay) who likely wont be here next year over one thats controllable via rookie deal for a few more years.
say what you want, you think frank isn't good, that's fine. but logically it makes no sense to give all these other players more of a shot at his natural position than a point guard.
"trade an asset at its lowest value" - a dumbass.

Bet on it, the Willy move was peak stupidity. Everything that’s happening now is just the shoe dropping after all the game the organization and Fiz was spitting to us the whole offseason

 

[storyteller]

I don't want to see Frank traded, especially when his value is at it's lowest. He's played pretty terribly so far, but these last few games have shown that he's not a sf or a sg, putting him at those spots has only made his play worse. It seems like Frank makes it as a pg in this league or he doesn't make it all. Let Frank play pg and let Trey and Mudiay play off ball more, the offense has been stagnant with those two at pg, so why not?

I think Frank/Trier/Dotson is a perfect combination. Frank can initiate but has Trier to force the defense off balance and attack North to South. Trier will get plenty of looks but also be in a position where the other two back court players move the ball in ways that can set him up. Dot's off ball movement has a better chance of being rewarded. Then you'd also have Frank and Dot setting off the defense to create transition opportunities off stops.

I don't think we need all three of THJ/Trier/Burke in the rotation. Having one isolation player per unit ought to be fine, especially if we're gonna run post ups to Kanter and Vonleh with some frequency. I'd take Frank/Trier/Dot/Knox/Mitch off the bench and have zero problems. The starters could stay in tact with Vonleh ready to come back in if Knox or Mitch runs into foul trouble or is getting overpowered in the post too. Fiz gets his reclamation project salad of a starting unit; we get all the long term developmental players on the court to build chemistry together.

 

[Daniel.]

For all this Frank talk, I maintain hope that they're continuing to showcase guys like Mudiay and Burke to boost trade value. I refuse to believe they make the same mistake as they did with Hernangomez - build these guards up that are almost on the way out and tie them to shyt contracts for future chips while holding onto the pieces you have locked in for a few years anyway. Show that they're NBA caliber guards and trade them while their stock is high. If they're not operating like this solely because they want to devalue and get rid of the old administrations players, I might have to seriously how much I follow sports in general. I fell out of baseball (Mets), stopped watching football (Jets) and my last childhood tie lies in the Knicks. But I can't in good conscience follow such incompetence, literally from a personal standpoint, not even fandom.