Large family of Albinos found in India

[daze23]

There has been white people around for over 70,000 years (they are relatively new).. so are you saying that because we don't have fur all people will eventually be naturally dark skinned??

And breh, btw... A polar bear has black skin.. and Fur covers it's entire body. The black skin helps it to absorb the sun. If it has fur then why hasn't it evolved into something pasty? What about black Seals??? And if climate has everything to do with that answer, why do most people living in Extreme arctic environments have darker skin.. when white people in the coldest places in Europe have pale skin with a pink tint due to blood vessels?

I believe dark skin and all the benefits of melanin are the evolutionary progress from our less advanced human forms.. I'm not sure what the light skin, that came millions of years later, is about. I mean the lighter skin comes with increased chances of diseases like skin cancer, sun burn, not emitting natural heat, fertility and reproductive issues, etc.... I mean your penis is darker than the rest of your body due to natural selection. If darker skinned people reproduce in small villages their population can increase forever. If a group of white people reproduced on an isolated Island, eventually reproduction will stop as close relation will lead to complete infertility.

I say all that to say that I disagree with you saying we can't point to someone in Africa and say this is " how all our ancestors looked."

http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/leontis/chem447/PDF_files/Jablonski_skin_color_2000.pdf

Skin color is one of the most conspicuous ways in which humans vary
and has been widely used to define human races. Here we present
new evidence indicating that variations in skin color are adaptive, and
are related to the regulation of ultraviolet (UV) radiation penetration
in the integument and its direct and indirect effects on fitness. Using
remotely sensed data on UV radiation levels, hypotheses concerning
the distribution of the skin colors of indigenous peoples relative to UV
levels were tested quantitatively in this study for the first time.

The major results of this study are: (1) skin reflectance is strongly
correlated with absolute latitude and UV radiation levels. The highest
correlation between skin reflectance and UV levels was observed at
545 nm, near the absorption maximum for oxyhemoglobin, suggesting
that the main role of melanin pigmentation in humans is
regulation of the effects of UV radiation on the contents of cutaneous
blood vessels located in the dermis. (2) Predicted skin reflectances
deviated little from observed values. (3) In all populations for which
skin reflectance data were available for males and females, females
were found to be lighter skinned than males. (4) The clinal gradation
of skin coloration observed among indigenous peoples is correlated
with UV radiation levels and represents a compromise solution to
the conflicting physiological requirements of photoprotection and
vitamin D synthesis.

The earliest members of the hominid lineage probably had a mostly
unpigmented or lightly pigmented integument covered with dark
black hair, similar to that of the modern chimpanzee. The evolution
of a naked, darkly pigmented integument occurred early in the
evolution of the genus Homo. A dark epidermis protected sweat
glands from UV-induced injury, thus insuring the integrity of somatic
thermoregulation. Of greater significance to individual reproductive
success was that highly melanized skin protected against UV-induced
photolysis of folate (Branda & Eaton, 1978, Science 201, 625–626;
Jablonski, 1992, Proc. Australas. Soc. Hum. Biol. 5, 455–462, 1999,
Med. Hypotheses 52, 581–582), a metabolite essential for normal
development of the embryonic neural tube (Bower & Stanley, 1989,
The Medical Journal of Australia 150, 613–619; Medical Research
Council Vitamin Research Group, 1991, The Lancet 338, 31–37) and
spermatogenesis (Cosentino et al., 1990, Proc. Natn. Acad. Sci.
U.S.A. 87, 1431–1435; Mathur et al., 1977, Fertility Sterility 28,
1356–1360).

As hominids migrated outside of the tropics, varying degrees of
depigmentation evolved in order to permit UVB-induced synthesis of
previtamin D3. The lighter color of female skin may be required to
permit synthesis of the relatively higher amounts of vitamin D3
necessary during pregnancy and lactation.

Skin coloration in humans is adaptive and labile. Skin pigmentation
levels have changed more than once in human evolution. Because of
this, skin coloration is of no value in determining phylogenetic
relationships among modern human groups.

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

So being a cac is a mutation that evolved and stabilized some time ago and hence birthe the "cac" breed.....hmmm...so being cac is a abnormal condition

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes | LiveScience

 

[Blackking]

http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/leontis/chem447/PDF_files/Jablonski_skin_color_2000.pdf

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gho3st]

Those indians are mighty happy that they've been discovered mane...
Knowing indian color complex, They probably was like "fck being an albino, we white!!!!!"

 

[daze23]

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah, and?

 

[Swirv]

Yacub's children?!

 

[Blackking]

yeah, and?

That's what I was think when you posted a quote about how skin tone is adaptive.

..."I'm not claiming any modern human represents the 'original man'" is what you said.

I say that since black people have existed for millions of years alone on this planet before any other ("racial classification") of people existed so we have more mutations in our genomes than any other race. I'm not sure why the less advantages (from a evolutionary standpoint, def not social!) lighter skin came about.

Not just with the pic below of the chimp... or the animals I mentioned, or with the millions of humans that have lived in cold climates for long periods who are still dark skinned... I don't agree with anything you said about losing hair, uv rays, or basically anything you said in this thread. We will just have to disagree.

 

[daze23]

That's what I was think when you posted a quote about how skin tone is adaptive.

..."I'm not claiming any modern human represents the 'original man'" is what you said.

I say that since black people have existed for millions of years alone on this planet before any other ("racial classification") of people existed so we have more mutations in our genomes than any other race. I'm not sure why the less advantages (from a evolutionary standpoint, def not social!) lighter skin came about.

Not just with the pic below of the chimp... or the animals I mentioned, or with the millions of humans that have lived in cold climates for long periods who are still dark skinned... I don't agree with anything you said about losing hair, uv rays, or basically anything you said in this thread. We will just have to disagree.

I just don't see how Mitochondrial Eve negates anything I posted

and those weren't my opinions I posted. that was a paper published by people that actually research skin evolution

it's not as simple as living in a cold or hot climate. it's like saying there's no difference between tropical and arid environments because the temperature is similar. some people live in cold environments where they are exposed to a lot of sun. others live in cold environments where it tends to be cloudy and dreary

 

[Blackking]

I just don't see how Mitochondrial Eve negates anything I posted

and those weren't my opinions I posted. that was a paper published by people that actually research skin evolution

it's not as simple as living in a cold or hot climate. it's like saying there's no difference between tropical and arid environments because the temperature is similar. some people live in cold environments where they are exposed to a lot of sun. others live in cold environments where it tends to be cloudy and dreary

I think you're confused on what lighter skin is and how/why it came about. Not due to the sun and clouds.

Speaking of research, the majority of research on this subject has been determined to be either racist or wrong by modern biologist.

Black skin is obviously better for warm environments, but is also less venerable to cold damage... look at the people in arctic areas.

Skin color is more dependent on vitamins rather than your position on Earth in relation to the sun.

Imo, There was a minor genetic mutation that caused the changes to lighter skin colors.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

its probably how white mutated from blacks/africans...
being africans first on earth

 

[daze23]

I think you're confused on what lighter skin is and how/why it came about. Not due to the sun and clouds.

Speaking of research, the majority of research on this subject has been determined to be either racist or wrong by modern biologist.

that paper was from 1999. do you have something more recent? (that says something to the contrary)

Black skin is obviously better for warm environments, but is also less venerable to cold damage... look at the people in arctic areas.

Skin color is more dependent on vitamins rather than your position on Earth in relation to the sun.

Imo, There was a minor genetic mutation that caused the changes to lighter skin colors.

you're all over that place here. it seems you're trying to say that darker skin is better for all environments, and lighter skin is just a random useless mutation. that's not how evolution works. no mutation catches on without some kind of environmental pressure to encourage it

 

[blackzeus]

do you believe we evolved from other primates?

I ask because I think dark skin is something our ancestors evolved as they lost their hair. our closest primate relatives have rather fair skin under their fur. and I imagine skin color continued to evolve as man migrated around the world, depending on the environment. what I'm saying is I don't think you can point at any modern human and say that's how all our ancestors looked. also, given how evolution works, I don't think it's particularly virtuous to claim to be the 'original man'. again, I'm not claiming any modern human represents the 'original man'. man continued to evolve no matter where he was

I don't believe in evolution, I believe in adaptation. I believe over time, a bird can develop characteristics way different than it's ancestors, but I don't think a bird will ever or has ever evolved into a four legged animal, for example. Just like I think humans are not going to evolve into Godlike beings or mutants with superpowers. I believe whites are a genetic deviation from the norm. That's my .02. Looking at these Indian albinos gives you some photographic evidence of their ancestry. Any white man denying this is just afraid of the truth. It doesn't matter anyway, because the reality is right now the white man still runs the world (although his grip is loosening quickly). Y'all were lepers, we some nikkaz, everybody get over it, make babies and be happy. Just stop acting like it's complete bullsh*t to point out the obvious fact that these albinos look straight up European.

 

[daze23]

Y'all were lepers, we some nikkaz

 

[Blackking]

no mutation catches on without some kind of environmental pressure to encourage it

The initial changes in genomic sequence happens when there are errors, viruses, and other random things..

If you say no mutation catches on without some pressure.. then that's you saying it's a mutation.. and my response to that is: if there are no benefits, if lighter skin isn't beneficial for our survival in any environment and actually hurts our reproduction and advancement as a species (biologically) then are you saying that it's a harmful mutation?

We know that albinism is particularly harmful.

You paper is recent (1999), I don't have anything more recent, just things that say that over a million years ago eretus and ergaster had similar skin tone as modern African. The initial studies, research, and theories about skin getting darker over time came from agenda based assumptions about race.



lol, I don't know anything about Leprosy. ^

 

[zerozero]

Looking at these Indian albinos gives you some photographic evidence of their ancestry.

didn't we just go over this? These guys descendants aren't going to be white . There is zero chance. They are either albino or the color of whoever you mate with