Lamar Jackson is having one of the greatest QB seasons ever

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How did Peyton beat them “on his own”?

It should be noted that “great defense” had injuries in the second half and his Defense dominated the second half shutting out the Jets.
I don’t recall who was out for the jets besides Chris Jenkins who’d been out most of the year and yeah the defense did have a great 2nd half, but Peyton finished with nearly 400 yards and 4 scores. The jets offense wasn’t built to keep up with that type of scoring.
 

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He wasn’t incredible tonight, which reminds me a lot of the 2011 afc title game where Flacco had some early mistakes but the game was defined by his teammates blowing it in far worse ways in the closing seconds once he set them up to win it.

If you mean 2011-12 season that was on the kicker more than anything
 

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If you mean 2011-12 season that was on the kicker more than anything
They blew it on 3 straight plays and on the previous drive Joe threw a horrible pick. Lee Evans dropped a pass in the end zone on 2nd down with 45 seconds left, then on 3rd down Joe pulled up to throw to a covered Dennis Pitta instead of running for the first down that would’ve set them up inside of the 10 with 35-40 seconds left and 1 timeout. Then Harbaugh rushed the kicking unit out to avoid a delay of game penalty instead of using that final timeout. Over the course of the whole game, they failed to control it at the line because Vince Wilfork dominated Matt Birk the entire game.



Still that’s on Evans & Cundiff :hhh:
 

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I don’t recall who was out for the jets besides Chris Jenkins who’d been out most of the year and yeah the defense did have a great 2nd half, but Peyton finished with nearly 400 yards and 4 scores. The jets offense wasn’t built to keep up with that type of scoring.
So how did Peyton beat them by “himself” when the defense shut out the offense the entire second half and he got 100 yards of rushing support?
 
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Those guys all still got help from their defense and skill positions too. The defining plays of the last 2 postseasons for the ravens on the other hand have been flowers fumbling at the 1 yard line in a game they lost by 7 and Andrews having a fumble that gave away 3 points and a dropped 2 point conversion to tie the game on their final drive where he was wide open. A key point that was just brought up to me by Stan Jones is the defense. In his 8 playoff games Lamar has gotten 1 takeaway by his defense in the 2020 wild card game and none in any other game. All those guys had a great game or two during said playoff runs but their defense also stepped up in big moments while Lamar essentially has to be flawless for his team to win because his skill positions and defense don’t give him any margin for error whatsoever.



Flacco got 3 takeaways and horrible execution on a missed field goal as well as one of the worst blown coverages ever with the game on the line in the divisional round vs Denver, 2 picks and a turnover on downs in the afc title game and then 2 takeaways and a turnover on downs and kick return touchdown in Super Bowl 47 with all 3 games being close.

Brady’s defense & special teams got big plays in nearly every playoff game, such as 4 picks in the 2003 afc title game, 2 picks including a pick 6 in Super Bowl 36, 3 picks in Super Bowl 39, the Malcolm butler and a key red zone stop earlier in Super Bowl 49, 2 special teams touchdowns in the 2001 afc title game, John kasay doing what he did in Super Bowl 38, and the pats defense holding the chargers to 12 points in the 2007 afc title game.

Manning had a great comeback in the 2006 afc title game but he shouldn’t have been there with the game he had against the ravens the week prior. His defense got multiple takeaways and held the ravens to 6 points in a game where he was 15-30 for 170 yards and 2 picks. In that afc title game his defense made a few huge plays at the end too with Bob sanders baiting Brady in robber coverage to get a 3rd down stop to set up the game winning drive and then Marlon Jackson in the same coverage getting the pick to win the game the next drive.

Ben had a great game winning drive in Super Bowl 43 but he doesn’t get there if his defense doesn’t get there without his defense forcing 3 turnovers and having a defensive score to put away the afc title game and getting to play an 8-8 chargers squad the week before that, not to mention his defense getting multiple takeaways and having a defensive touchdown.

Rodgers in 2010 got a defensive touchdown in a 1 score win in the nfc title game and in a 6 point win in the Super Bowl by Nick Collins too before this defense also forced a turnover on downs to win the game.



Maybe it is wrong, but we’re arguing over granular details. The point was that the rest of the team did enough that he hardly had to do anything after halftime.
How is scoring 17 pts, after halftime,.not doing anything? Game was 7-7 at the half, they won 24-21. 1 scoring drive in the first half, three in the second half.
 

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How is scoring 17 pts, after halftime,.not doing anything? Game was 7-7 at the half, they won 24-21. 1 scoring drive in the first half, three in the second half.
The opening drive of the 2nd half to make it 14-7 was impressive, but he didn’t do much throwing after that. Over the final 26 minutes of the game he completed 5 passes for 56 yards with that pass to branch with 11:53 left in the game being his final completed pass.
 

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The opening drive of the 2nd half to make it 14-7 was impressive, but he didn’t do much throwing after that. Over the final 26 minutes of the game he completed 5 passes for 56 yards with that pass to branch with 11:53 left in the game being his final completed pass.
They were up ten and went.conservative. Thats what teams do, esp back then. Jim Johnson kept sending blitzes, so they went from the intermediate pass game to a screen game,.to counteract that.
 

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It's hard to play perfect football in those conditions in the playoffs. Lamar made some devastating mistakes early but he regrouped and put his team in position to win the game.

Lamar: 18/25 254 yards, 2TD, 1 INT
Allen: 16/22 127 yards

Lamar on the road vs. Allen at home. Lamar outplayed him.
 

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Those guys all still got help from their defense and skill positions too. The defining plays of the last 2 postseasons for the ravens on the other hand have been flowers fumbling at the 1 yard line in a game they lost by 7 and Andrews having a fumble that gave away 3 points and a dropped 2 point conversion to tie the game on their final drive where he was wide open. A key point that was just brought up to me by Stan Jones is the defense. In his 8 playoff games Lamar has gotten 1 takeaway by his defense in the 2020 wild card game and none in any other game. All those guys had a great game or two during said playoff runs but their defense also stepped up in big moments while Lamar essentially has to be flawless for his team to win because his skill positions and defense don’t give him any margin for error whatsoever.



Flacco got 3 takeaways and horrible execution on a missed field goal as well as one of the worst blown coverages ever with the game on the line in the divisional round vs Denver, 2 picks and a turnover on downs in the afc title game and then 2 takeaways and a turnover on downs and kick return touchdown in Super Bowl 47 with all 3 games being close.

Brady’s defense & special teams got big plays in nearly every playoff game, such as 4 picks in the 2003 afc title game, 2 picks including a pick 6 in Super Bowl 36, 3 picks in Super Bowl 39, the Malcolm butler and a key red zone stop earlier in Super Bowl 49, 2 special teams touchdowns in the 2001 afc title game, John kasay doing what he did in Super Bowl 38, and the pats defense holding the chargers to 12 points in the 2007 afc title game.

Manning had a great comeback in the 2006 afc title game but he shouldn’t have been there with the game he had against the ravens the week prior. His defense got multiple takeaways and held the ravens to 6 points in a game where he was 15-30 for 170 yards and 2 picks. In that afc title game his defense made a few huge plays at the end too with Bob sanders baiting Brady in robber coverage to get a 3rd down stop to set up the game winning drive and then Marlon Jackson in the same coverage getting the pick to win the game the next drive.

Ben had a great game winning drive in Super Bowl 43 but he doesn’t get there if his defense doesn’t get there without his defense forcing 3 turnovers and having a defensive score to put away the afc title game and getting to play an 8-8 chargers squad the week before that, not to mention his defense getting multiple takeaways and having a defensive touchdown.

Rodgers in 2010 got a defensive touchdown in a 1 score win in the nfc title game and in a 6 point win in the Super Bowl by Nick Collins too before this defense also forced a turnover on downs to win the game.



Maybe it is wrong, but we’re arguing over granular details. The point was that the rest of the team did enough that he hardly had to do anything after halftime.
You're right

But here's the problem:

Even though Lamar's defense hasn't forced much turnovers... they've made stops

Remember that pick he threw? They forced a punt

They tackled Allen when he was this close to getting a touchdown to go up 31-12.

Rememebr the afc title game last year? They SHUTOUT Mahomes in the 2nd half.

They gave up only 10 to Allen in the 2020 divisional
 

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You're right

But here's the problem:

Even though Lamar's defense hasn't forced much turnovers... they've made stops

Remember that pick he threw? They forced a punt

They tackled Allen when he was this close to getting a touchdown to go up 31-12.

Rememebr the afc title game last year? They SHUTOUT Mahomes in the 2nd half.

They gave up only 10 to Allen in the 2020 divisional
I’m aware, but at some point someone needs to make a game changing play. It’s great to get stops, but when the quarterback has to go 70-85 yards for a score every time and his skill positions make season ending mistakes on an annual basis, that’s not enough. It’s great they forced a punt after the pick, but Buffalo scored a touchdown every other drive of the first half. The biggest story of the game last year was the coaches abandoning the run right out the gate and the flowers fumble. Asking the quarterback to go the length of the field every drive on the road isn’t a winning formula. Last year the defense also put them in a hole by getting carved up in the first half which is a big part of why they panicked and abandoned the run. Last night it was great they tightened up and gave up 6 after halftime, but 27 points allowed while letting the other team go 3/4 in the red zone and no takeaways isn’t a good showing either.


This is the defining theme of the Lamar era. Someone besides him at some point has to step up and make the big play.
 

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Asking the quarterback to go the length of the field every drive on the road isn’t a winning formula. Last year the defense also put them in a hole by getting carved up in the first half which is a big part of why they panicked and abandoned the run. Last night it was great they tightened up and gave up 6 after halftime, but 27 points allowed while letting the other team go 3/4 in the red zone and no takeaways isn’t a good showing either.
Dude, Lamar isn't constantly going the length of the field every drive.

What kind of gaslighting is this?

He did in the first drive, and final drive. The 3rd quarter, their run game lifted them

Giving up 6 after halftime is great, and Lamar is part of why they gave up 27 total witn the fumble

I feel like your still

And again they played well in 2020 and in the 2023 title game (only 17 points) but it wasn't good enough becsuse

You're saying Lamar shouldnt have to be perfect, but you're critiquing the defense for the afc title game against the Chiefs because they gave up 14 on the first half (despite SHUTTING THEM OUT IN THE 2ND HALF AND GIVING UP ONLY 17 TOTAL)

Come on man.
 

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@Mantis Toboggan M.D. @STAN JONES @BmoreGorilla Lamar and company will have to stop fukking up in the 1st Half and jump out on top and set the pace. :ufdup:

Falling into a double-digit hole and having to fight your way out of it while trying to avoid nut-ass mistakes is a recipe for disaster. :francis:

Brees and the Saints used to do the same shyt here :smh:, which is why we never got past the Divisional when having to take the long route in the postseason. :snoop:
 
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