You mistyped what?
Comparing LeBron's success on entering the league to Kyrie's was the dumbest thing you could have said. Kyrie had 3 years after college and STILL hadn't even reached the win total that LeBron got his rookie year straight out of high school.
I compared their team success in regards to making the playoffs. Lebron missed his first 2 (not 3 like I mistyped) and Kyrie his first 3. Hardly a big difference. Thats without mentioning that Kyrie is NOT better, as good, or even on the same level as Lebron. So if you want to continue from here, go back to what I said in regards to whatever you or the other guy said, and start from there. Or take up my ban bet offer on if I made this same two year/3 year point before.. Either one breh
Bosh wasn't forced to become a "catch and shoot 3pt shooter" by Bron, he averaged 0.6 threes/game for his first three years on Miami. Bosh took more 3s in the first 82 games after Bron left Miami than he had for the entire 4 years Bron was on the team. You just roll with idiot Coli narratives that have nothing to do with the facts.
What was Bosh referring to here?
“Yeah, it’s a lot more difficult taking a step back, because you’re used to doing something a certain way and getting looks a certain way. And then it’s like, well, no, for the benefit of the team, you have to get it here.”
You have to get it (looks) where? Getting looks a certain way? What did he mean? Does this sound like a guy who felt as if he was being utilized in the offense to his strengths?
Oh, so all-star appearances are the big measure now?
Nope
And you're still ignoring all the other 3rd options, like Payton and Artest and Dwight, who had to change their game significantly to play with Kobe. Even Shaq's game was affected dramatically by Kobe.
None of these guys were even third options. Payton was the 4th option and Artest 5th. Dwight was the second option. And even with all that Payton still played PG, Artest was brought in to be a defensive stopper and Dwight still got to play in the post/play defense. They were all allowed to play to their strengths..
Wait, so now Kyrie and Wade are TOO good, so the fact that they were great alongside LeBron doesn't count?
I didnt say anything about them being too good. I said that Kyrie was already on the come up and continued getting better after leaving Lebron. Wade played his best ball BEFORE Lebron got there so yea, they dont count...
So they don't count if they're too good like Kyrie/Wade, they also don't count if they're good but not stars like JR and TT. Even Mo Williams making ONE All-star game alongside Bron doesn't count, but Bynum making ONE All-Star game does count and so does Odom even though he didn't make it at all.
Mo Williams practically had the same season three seasons in a row including that season he made the all star team.
Bruh keep trying, you'll get it Im sure
And if Odom and Pau improved while on the Lakers it was a marginal difference at best, and that would have something do with being under Phil Jackson, not playing with Kobe. Damn near everyone on your list was coached by either Phil or Pop, it is the COACH that develops talent.
Outside of Odom/Pau which shouldn't even be on there, everyone else you listed was a rookie with talent who developed. What did you expect them to do? You seriously gonna claim that some teammate made them develop into a star and not the coaching? And who the hell did LeBron's teams ever draft who should be up there?
I dont care what reason you attribute it to. The fact remains that it happened. And not only with him, but with Bird, Jordan, Duncan etc.. Heck let me Shaq who allowed Penny/Kobe/Wade to play to their strengths? Or how about we add Curry who allowed Klay and Dray to be good and play to their strengths and then took it a step further when he allowed Durant into the fold to do the same. Or Durant who did the same with Westbrook and Harden before going to GSW to allow Curry/Klay/Draymond to do the same. Even Westbrook allowed PG to have his best season with him. How come everyone has an example except Lebron?
What about Shaq? Malone? Payton? Artest? Dwight? Where is the high-volume player who got to "be themselves" alongside Kobe? Where is the star perimeter player or wing who got to "be themselves" alongside Kobe.
Shaq played his best ball in LA and did not have to go away from his strengths to make Kobe comfortable. Malone still played in the post. Payton was still allowed to play PG. Artest was brought in to be a defensive stopper and Dwight still played in the post. Terrible examples.
Wow, we moved from "LeBron refuses to ever play under a system" to "LeBron won most of his championships under a system" real quick.
Outside of Miami, which coach had a proven offensive system better than what the coach actually ran with LeBron?
Thats always been my stance that Lebron only played in a system in Miami. And I think that can be a stretch, but they did have a variety of ways to get him to score beyond handing him the ball at the top of the key and watching him pound the ball over and over. Again (ban bet offer number 2) we can make a ban bet that I have made that same point on this board but you wont take it like you wouldnt take the first one...
