LA Times: Only 28% of STEM graduates work STEM jobs

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always on time Coli

Don't know what's funny. The stats align with what I have seen in my personal life, most stem graduates don't end up using their degrees

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Thats the c00n Coli paradigm of the last 12 years

They will say some bootstraps CAC shyt like "Network harder!" or "you should have take neurosurgery over biochemistry" Tony Starks BS

I've been the main poster on here telling nikkas to get into tech and I've never mentioned get a tech degree. I've always said get tech certs.

And while y'all nikkas are wasting time, my inbox and voicemail is still flooded with positions paying from $50-150/hr.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Y'all just believe anything and everything on the internet huh?

What Does STEM Stand for? | Study in the States

Please note: On May 10, 2016, DHS replaced the 17-month STEM OPT extension with a new 24-month STEM OPT extension. All existing 17-month STEM OPT EADs will remain valid until the EAD expires, is terminated or revoked. For more information about the new STEM OPT rule, please visit the STEM OPT Hub.

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STEM is an acronym that stands for Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.

STEM is still way better than a vast majority of degrees, even if you aren't in your career, you're still making a lot of money.


If you can't do STEM, get a trade.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Interesting, this is a counter to the “just get a stem degree” crowd.

It's a smart dumb nikka counter.

Even if they aren't in their field, they still in a high paid position.

 

[The Radiant One]

Still though what’s the alternative not go to college? Are they advocating for humanities?

Yeah some stem grads work at a bartending job but how much do they make?

 

[JLova]

STEM is very competitive, it's not the guaranteed path to job security it used to be

There was never job security. The thing is you were well paid, so smart people would invest or save money for a rainy day since there's so much turnover. Tech world moves FAST and we are in a time where the stock price is everything. All it takes is a bad week or two and it's time to cut. It's a shytty industry to be honest.

Corps are really fukking over their employees with the government's help. It's crazy how unions got wiped out and had all this negativity surrounding them. All a play because businesses want to get rid of people on a whim and unions prevent that. Let the Corps run the show and we have this kind of society.

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

All of my kids are going into the medical field. I don’t ever see humans being completely phased out there. To everyone else, AI is going to make a lot of STEM jobs obsolete.

 

[staticshock]

Yup, mentioned it back in the tech layoffs thread.

My brother has a degree in Math from a top school in Cali and does sales.
My brother's friend has a Physics degree from UCLA and has been doing a bartending job for the last 10 years.
A lot of my classmates I went to school with (for a degree in STEM) don't work in STEM.
A lot more are doing basic spreadsheet/data entry work, far away from their degree.

I'm actually back in school right now finishing an engineering degree and many EE's from my class already feel like they're not going to get a job in this field either. They can't even get an internship.

There are simply too few positions and a lot of seniority locking it out.

Not to mention, some salaries are a joke and have not scaled. Entry-level Mechanical Engineers back in the early 2000's made $65k-$70k when $100k was a lot of money. Now the $100k equivalent is ~$173k, while the average entry Mechanical Engineer salary is $80k. The pay-off ain't the same.

The software jobs where the salary boom occurred masked this problem, however now we're returning back to the floor as jobs from that sector are running into the traditional STEM career-issues from the 2000's: seniority locking jobs up and not enough jobs to go around.

Like the 2nd to last slide also mentions, many of these STEM jobs simply don't create a lot of value or end up producing harmful effects (basically the opposite of what they studied). It's CEO's trying to convince other people they need a product, producing a shytty one and cashing out.

If someone has a physics degree & has been a bartender for a decade, that says something about them more than their field.

 

[bnew]

Coli brehs told me coding was the key to 6 figures

the student loans can go up to 6 figures.

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Let's address the number 1 fukking problem: companies refusing to hire Americans bc they can save money hiring h1b visa foreigners



Not sure why they didn't put that on the slides how bc we see it happening

 

[IIVI]

If someone has a physics degree & has been a bartender for a decade, that says something about them more than their field.

It's a thing or problem innate to the field as well (no pun).

At the end of the day many employers (especially recruiters) really don't know how to gauge the value of a Physics degree.
For the field itself If you really want to do research and the work most people think of when they think of Physicists, you need a PhD.
However, only having BS in Physics is maybe one of the worst STEM degrees pound-for-pound.

Breaking into engineering with that degree is tricky because degrees like Physics don't get ABET accreditation and that makes engineering firms legally liable if they hire one to do engineering work. You can maybe do some analytic work, but many times they'll just hire another engineer. Some do eventually break in, but it'll be a grind or many times they don't quite become an engineer but an "engineer". One of my best friends from college basically has this role right now.

Sadly, a large amount of Physics grads actually end up teaching high school. Some did break into tech taking advantage of the recent boom, but it's hard to go up against CS grads when the market looks like it does. Same goes for other engineering fields - a Physics major just has too much good competition to go up against for specialty roles.

Overall, it's actually a degree that financially isn't worth the hassle and many people in the field will tell you the same. You either make the change into engineering/comp sci or you go full-on to power ahead and get your PhD (which will lead to a less financially rewarding career in research). The funny thing is engineering R&D is where PhD Physicists will start to take over. If going for a PhD then Physics > all other engineering discipline PhD's.

It's basically the tweener of STEM degrees. Definitely not unemployable, but will require an open mind by employers and can be tougher when specific fields get more competitive. This basically leads many to the situation like OP's post states where they don't even end up working in STEM as a career. Physics majors probably make up a large portion of those stats.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Too many people are getting these degrees not because they’re passionate about the fields but because they’re typically “high paying” but STEM jobs are super stressful and super competitive and unless you get hired by one of the top companies or the government you’re not enjoying the “Benefits” of it.

Well thats the thing

It’s not as high paying as it used to be

I agree with the post in the OP… a lot of this has to do with the greedy ass employers

 

[Mirin4rmfar]

I've been the main poster on here telling nikkas to get into tech and I've never mentioned get a tech degree. I've always said get tech certs.

And while y'all nikkas are wasting time, my inbox and voicemail is still flooded with positions paying from $50-150/hr.

I have a mechanical engineering degree and went the six certs route a my advice will be to go the certs route honestly. My degree was a waste of time but it opened doors for me to move around.

 

[Wild self]

Well thats the thing

It’s not as high paying as it used to be

I agree with the post in the OP… a lot of this has to do with the greedy ass employers

Now you see the correlation with frustrated STEM grads, lack of legit opportunities, and violent school outbreaks.

If it aint UNIONIZED, then you always walking on a tight rope

 

[JadeB]

All of my kids are going into the medical field. I don’t ever see humans being completely phased out there. To everyone else, AI is going to make a lot of STEM jobs obsolete.

Scary to see