Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

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Apparently the TWolves are open to giving Wiggins back for Kyrie

at least we'll finally get to see who would've performed better between Love and Wiggins
 

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We weren't talking about which team was better:gucci:

Peasants said he took the worst team in the league to the finals when he didn't:camby:
Let's use basic logic here. The 2010 team LeBron left became the worst team in the league after his departure. We both agree that 2010 team was far better than his 2007 team he took to the Finals, so what do you think that 07 team would be without him? :mjgrin:

Why do you guys choose to be so willfully ignorant when James is the topic of discussion? Female behavior :picard:
 

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Kevin Durant was never asked or was doing it on his own. This is 2 different things

The premise behind it is the same. That's what they killed Lebron for too. A lot of "i long for the days when guys didn't team up to form super teams" with undertones of "manning up" and not taking the easy way out.
 

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No he fukking didn't:gucci:


Y'all peasants really think that 07 team was among the worst teams in the league

That 07 team was a better team. And besides Lebron is a top 10 player of all time.

PG: 20yo rookie Daniel Gibson. Would be D-league anywhere else, out of the league by 26, having spent his last three years bouncing on and off of the roster.
SG: 28yo Larry Hughes. Shot 40% in the regular season and 34% in the playoffs. Hughes only played 3 more injury filled half-seasons before he retired.
SF: 23yo Sasha Pavlovic. D-league anywhere else, when he left the Cavs at the age of 26 he averaged 2.6ppg the next three years and was then out of the league.
PF: 25yo Drew Gooden. Reliable 11 and 9 hustle guy.
C: 31yo Zydrunas Iglauskas. So injured at this point he could only play 25-27mpg. Had a midrange shot, but immobile and got destroyed by stronger/faster guys.

Off the bench, you have

PG: 33yo Eric Snow. Completely done, averaged 1.7ppg in the playoffs, only 22 games from retirement
SG: 30yo Damon Jones. Completely done, averaged 2.4ppg in the playoffs, only 85 games from retirement
SF: 33yo Donyell Marshall. Completely done, averaged 3.5ppg in the playoffs, only 51 games away from retirement
PF: 24yo Anderson Varejao. A 6 and 6 guy who was still 4-5 years away from his breakout season
C: 31yo Scot Pollard. Completely done, averaged 0.0ppg in the playoffs, only 22 games from retirement


Cleveland's top-10 without Lebron in 2007 is six guys who legit shouldn't even have been in the NBA, an injured Larry Hughes stinking up the arena, two hustle rebounders, and half a game of Z.

How the hell was there a roster in the NBA worse than that?




I think a lot people forget how good Varajeo was

Larry Hughes was still good

Z was still good

Baron couldn't stay healthy. Nobody would take a 2011 Baron over 07' Larry Hughes. If memory serve me correct Baron got hurt that year

And Z was washed in 2010


Ya'all kill me. :dead:

Varejao was a 3rd-year player averaging 6 and 6 in 2007. What do you mean, people "forget how good Varejao was" :gucci:

Larry Hughes was NOT good in 2007. Hughes was HORRIBLE in 2007. After his 2006 injury Hughes was so bad some Cleveland fan started a website called, http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/, an entire website dedicated to how bad Hughes shot, and it was legit popular. Hughes was supposed to be the #2 option on the Cavs and he shot 40% in the regular season and 34% in the playoffs (which was better than 2006, when he shot 32% in the playoffs). When the Cavs traded Hughes to the Knicks, he missed his first 18 shots with them before making his first one. He was a black hole of shyttiness.

In the 2006 ECSF against the Pistons, Hughes missed 3 games. Cleveland won all three. Hughes played in 4 games, scoring 9ppg on 33% shooting. Cleveland lost all four.

In the 2007 Finals against the Spurs, Hughes played in 2 games, shooting 1-10 and scoring 2 points TOTAL. Cleveland lost the two games he played in by a combined 20 points, lost the two games he missed by only 4 points combined.

Cleveland was clearly better WITHOUT Hughes than they were with him, he was that bad. :francis:
 
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"We shouldn't have signed Jeff Teague. But we can just trade him in December anyways so it's all good."
 

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The team Lebron got to the Finals in 2015 might have been the worst team in the NBA without him too:

PG: 24yo Delly - undrafted, started in D-league, shot 35% in the playoffs and 28% in the Finals
SG: 29yo J.R. - Knicks had literally dumped him for nothing that year, shot 40% in the playoffs and 31% in the Finals.
SF: 24yo Shump - Knicks also had dumped him for nothing, shot 36% in the playoffs and 26% in the Finals
PF: 23yo Tristan - hustle rebounder who had literally zero offensive game at that point in his career
C: 28yo Mosgov - tall center who had spent his career as a benchwarmer until that year

off the bench

PG: there was no point guard off the bench
SG: 34yo James Jones: done, would have been retired if not for Lebron
SF: 34yo Mike Miller: done, 67 games away from retirement
PF: there was no power forward off the bench
C: 30yo Kendrick Perkins - done, 42 games away from retirement


Sorry, a team that relies on Mosgov/JR for all their scoring, Delly/Shump for all their ballhandling, and has JJ/Miller/Perkins as the WHOLE bench is the worst team in the NBA.
 

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"We shouldn't have signed Jeff Teague. But we can just trade him in December anyways so it's all good."

They will have to end up taking Leff League in that trade wont they? :picard:
If Derrick gets hurt and they end up having to defend Stephanie/CP0/Russell with Leff and Jose :hhh:
 
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