Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

[ALonelyDad]

 

[DaSk8D00D]

He's coming back to the US he's been in Asia touring with Nike

 

[Osmosis]

Who's says they Kyrie won't develop into a leader of a finals team? Nikka only 25, he has a couple more years to reach that level if he stays healthy. Like I said before, nikkas said kobe couldn't win womithout shaq. He won two. Now don't get me wrong, Kyrie and kobe, but you never know what the future holds.

Kyrie will most likely never be the best player on a championship team.. He just doesn't have the skillset. If he was gifted his own team today I would be shocked if they were even above 500. He's a talented but supremely flawed player.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Eric Bledsoe and Marquis Chriss for Kyrie is the best deal for both parties. Cleveland would be better and Bledsoe is repped by Rich Paul.

 

[Young Fab]

you gotta be kidding me...lebron was already a multiple all star 2 time mvp, rookie of the year mulllllltuple playoffs/50 wins/60 wisn before he got a his first title. He was more accomplished than Kyrie was prior to playing with lebron

Exactly why I read dat shyt and act like I ain't see it

 

[Young Fab]

Nobody has. Yet this talking point is only aimed at Lebron

Deez nikkas is raised by Skip Bayless bruh, str8 retards when it come to basketball

 

[Young Fab]

Who's says they Kyrie won't develop into a leader of a finals team? Nikka only 25, he has a couple more years to reach that level if he stays healthy. Like I said before, nikkas said kobe couldn't win womithout shaq. He won two. Now don't get me wrong, Kyrie and kobe, but you never know what the future holds.

You know how much shyt had to go exactly right for Kobe to win dem 2 rings? C'mon man, Kyrie isn't likely to have the same luck that a Kobe Bryant had.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

He kinda did that though

Not to mention the Cavs had the #1 pick before he came back.
The following season he led them to the finals and won 2 games (while Kyrie was playing at 60% or out in the playoffs and Kevin Love not available past the 1st round)

It was impressive

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Why wouldn't Lebron accomplish more, he was already in the league a decade before playing with Kyrie

do the knowledge...lebron has only played 3 years with kyrie, so take if from there

 

[IllmaticDelta]

More often, but not for as long.

Lebron frontcourt touches per game: 70.3 (14th in the NBA)
Kyrie frontcourt touches per game: 66.2 (19th in the NBA)

Kyrie average time with ball per possession: 6.4 seconds (14th in the league)
Lebron average time with ball possession: 6.1 seconds (18th in the league)

Even if Kyrie doesn't touch it as much with Lebron in there, Lebron still has the ball in his hands for a minority of each possession. Kyrie has a LOT of time to do what he wants with the ball.



Kyrie average possession time per touch: 4.85 seconds (35th in the league)
Lebron average possession time per touch: 4.12 seconds (79th in the league)

Kyrie average dribbles per touch: 4.7 (40th in the league)
Lebron average dribbles per touch: 3.2 (110th in the league)

And Lebron doesn't hold onto the ball as long or dribble around as much when he does touch it either.



"Bron ball" is a myth.

 

[360Waves]

That's because Lebron is the only player that people say ridiculous shyt like "put him on the worst team in the league and he'll drag them to the finals" about.

Because he actually did.

 

[NormanConnors]

I pray they don't trade Kyrie for Rudy Wiggins

He's the poster child for empty stats like Rudy Gay and don't have that fire inside of him like just like Rudy Gay. Kyrie always got that fire inside even if he's one dimensional

I mean if you going just be a scorer atleast have that gunner's fire like Kobe and Kyrie

And he's a horrible defender like Kyrie

I prefer they try and get Gary Harris a good 2 way player who shoot over 40% from the 3 point line.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Kyrie takes more shots and has a higher usage than lebron...how much more can he have the ball?

he took the most shots on the team



and highest usage (with way less impact than lebron obviously)





there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James               
            
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                
           WITH                      WITHOUT 
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
              
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                       

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   | 
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

So why are the peasants so mad about him wanting to leave?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Because he actually did.

When?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

He kinda did that though

No he fukking didn't


Y'all peasants really think that 07 team was among the worst teams in the league