Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

[fifth column]

Kyrie takes more shots and has a hugher usage than lebron...how much more can he have the ball?

he took the most shots on the team



and highest usage (with way less impact than lebron obviously)





there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James                
             
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                 
           WITH                      WITHOUT  
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
               
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                        

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   |  
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

Then you should rejoice in his imminent departure

 

[backbreaker65]

My position on this shyt is, Curious, but I couldn't care less. The dude got his chip, now he wants to lead "what the problem is?".

 

[daboywonder2002]

Irving is not getting traded. Cavs cannot make the same mistake as OKC and Orlando (Shaq says they lowballed him an offer). I don't care if you get along or not. You don't trade a player at the first sign of turmoil. It's not an on the court issue cause they actually work well.

 

[IGSaint12]

Irving is not getting traded. Cavs cannot make the same mistake as OKC and Orlando (Shaq says they lowballed him an offer). I don't care if you get along or not. You don't trade a player at the first sign of turmoil. It's not an on the court issue cause they actually work well.

They signed Rose with the acknowledgement that's hes starting. Kyrie is getting traded.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Don't cry @KRiLL (+) @Edub

 

[street heat]

Irving is not getting traded. Cavs cannot make the same mistake as OKC and Orlando (Shaq says they lowballed him an offer). I don't care if you get along or not. You don't trade a player at the first sign of turmoil. It's not an on the court issue cause they actually work well.

those arent the same kind of situations. shaq and harden did not ask to be traded. kyrie does not want to be there period, and by reports its not something that he is suddenly feeling.

hes gone

 

[Suleiman Bey]

Bein a special talent is bein a special talent, it has nothin to do wit who you play wit and Chauncey Billups isn't sayin it does. What he and everybody else is sayin(and it applies to Kobe in his early years as well) is yes, Kyrie is super talented but he has also benefited from playin alongside LeBron, ie winnin an NBA championship, bein in the Finals and atleast competing for an NBA championship every year, bein regarded as one of the best PGs in the league on par wit a 2x MVP in Steph Curry, etc.

No one is sayin LeBron is the reason Kyrie Irving is a great player but his greatness would not have been noticed, atleast not to the degree it is now without LeBron.

You don't have a problem with this? What has LeBron down without Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love? Get smoked in the finals by SA? A finals he should've never been in anyway if Detwat played like they had years before. But then yall gona say what has Kyrie done. WTF? LeBron ain't did shyt. Same with Shaq he smoked in the finals by Hakeem, Couldn't get a 50+ win Laker team over the hump. Had to bring in Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Phil Jackson and the development of Kobe Bryant to actually win a championship. Then he got carried to his 4th ring by Wade.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

you publish articles on a site called thyblackman?

WTF yo you can't make this shyt up

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You don't have a problem with this? What has LeBron down without Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love? Get smoked in the finals by SA? A finals he should've never been in anyway if Detwat played like they had years before. But then yall gona say what has Kyrie done. WTF? LeBron ain't did shyt. Same with Shaq he smoked in the finals by Hakeem, Couldn't get a 50+ win Laker team over the hump. Had to bring in Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Phil Jackson and the development of Kobe Bryant to actually win a championship. Then he got carried to his 4th ring by Wade.

you gotta be kidding me...lebron was already a multiple all star 2 time mvp, rookie of the year mulllllltuple playoffs/50 wins/60 wisn before he got a his first title. He was more accomplished than Kyrie was prior to playing with lebron

 

[fifth column]

you gotta be kidding me...lebron was already a multiple all star 2 time mvp, rookie of the year mulllllltuple playoffs/50 wins/60 wisn before he got a his first title. He was more accomplished than Kyrie was prior to playing with lebron

Why wouldn't Lebron accomplish more, he was already in the league a decade before playing with Kyrie

 

[Suleiman Bey]

you gotta be kidding me...lebron was already a multiple all star 2 time mvp, rookie of the year mulllllltuple playoffs/50 wins/60 wisn before he got a his first title. He was more accomplished than Kyrie was prior to playing with lebron

How many championship did LeBron have after 3 years? None. How many finals appearances? None. How many MVP's? None.

But Kyrie is supposed to have accomplished all of that right?

How many rings LeBron got without Wade, Bosh, Love & Kyrie? None. The same amount Kyrie got without him. Kyrie and Love were hurt, LeBron couldn't win that ring, now could he? Nope.

LeBron ain't won shyt without elite players by his side,

 

[JordanwiththeWiz]

I pray they don't trade Kyrie for Rudy Wiggins

He's the poster child for empty stats like Rudy Gay and don't have that fire inside of him like just like Rudy Gay. Kyrie always got that fire inside even if he's one dimensional

I mean if you going just be a scorer atleast have that gunner's fire like Kobe and Kyrie

And he's a horrible defender like Kyrie

I prefer they try and get Gary Harris a good 2 way player who shoot over 40% from the 3 point line.

 

[ALonelyDad]

 

[VBM]

Yet what did Indy accept for Paul George?

 

[ISO]

Report: Kyrie Irving has issues with how much LeBron James controls the ball


GEE, WHAT A SHOCKER....


....NOT. I COVERED THIS IN MY ARTICLE LAST WEEK:

Kyrie Irving Requested A Trade Because LeBron James Hinders Teammates. : ThyBlackMan.com

An Israeli cac writing on a website named ThyBlackMan. A person who can't write publishing articles full of biased, misinformed, agenda driven opinions. Absolutely disgusting.