Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

What's the Cavs record when Kyrie plays and LeBron sits?

How have the Cavs fared in the last 2 Finals when LeBron sat on the bench and Kyrie had to carry the offense?

nikkas in for a RUDE awakening if Kyrie gets his own team.

People have explained hundreds of times why this is a fukking stupid way of thinking.

Yes when 99% of the offense is based on one player holding the ball for the whole time then yes the team will struggle when said player takes a random game off

 

[WMG the 2nd]

How?

They drafted Dion Waiters, Tyler Zeller and Anthony Bennett.

Traded for Luke Walton

Signed Andrew Bynum to a 2 year deal, then traded him for run down Luol Deng.

They hired Griffin a few months before Bron got back.

Things started looking up because they had Wiggins, had a coach in Blatt that was praised for his offense based on ball movement and then Bron joined the team and shifted everything.

Exactly
They had griffin and blatt brought in and planned on trying to build around kyrie ala Steve Nash in the suns era

Irving
Waiters
Wiggins
Thompson
Seller

All under 23 with a coach brought in specifically build up kyrie
Lebron put all that down day one

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I commend him for being proactive. This is certainly smart if Bron is being non-committal and the FO is looking so shaky. However, this idea that he was some victim that didn't benefit from Bron's presence or that had it worse than any other number 2 throughout history is laughable. There are pros and cons. No he doesn't get the same props Bron gets, he's also not as good or impactful. He has still gotten his props and had his profile raised substantially. On the flipside his every struggle isn't parsed to death and the team struggles aren't put on him. Haven't heard much about his finals record or how many rings he needs.

CLE FO has made it's share of moves but you can't knock them for playing for right now. If you have chance to win now you go for it. The future should be just fine if Kyrie and Love are what folks stay purporting them to be. We can't call this a superteam and then act like 2/3 of the big 3 isn't enough to build on in the future.

Since when? For the past two year we've continually heard how the Cavs have a losing record whenever Bron doesn't play. Any time the Cavs would struggle in the post season we'd hear people saying Kyrie or Love needed to step up because "Lebron can't do it all by himself". The narrative is that when the team is doing well it's because Lebron singlehandedly carried them to a victory, but when they lose it's because Lebron doesn't have enough help and his teammates didn't show up to play.

Before Lebron went back to Cleveland Kyrie was looked at as a guy that could be a franchise cornerstone. He was seen as a ridiculously talented player that was hampered by an incompetent front office, now you got people openly mocking him and saying he wont be shyt without Lebron if he leaves.

Kevin Love was seen as a legit all star caliber players and even a few (mostly white) people were calling him a top 10 player. Now he's a guy that other teams aren't even willing to take as part of a multi team deal.

Since the team was formed Kyrie and Love have regularly been rumored as parts of trades whenever the team struggles. Who wants to play with that sword dangling over their head all the fukking time?

Playing with Lebron gets you more success, but it also seemingly lowers the amount of respect players get.

 

[VegasCAC]

He won 3 ships playing bron ball and playing in a weakass conference while getting bailed out by nikkas like Wade, Allen, and Kyrie...

He's lost 5 playing Bron ball as well

Yeah, so he made 8 Finals playing Bron Ball, which is a better accomplishment than not making it. What cant you understand about that? Losing in the first round is not better than losing in the Finals.

The whole "bail out" narrative is for retards. It's a team sport dummy, he can't score every single point, of course his teammates are going to contribute. You can point to timely buckets made by other players in every single championship run by any big star

 

[360Waves]

People have explained hundreds of times why this is a fukking stupid way of thinking.

Yes when 99% of the offense is based on one player holding the ball for the whole time then yes the team will struggle when said player takes a random game off

LMAO if you're a "franchise player" you should be able to produce with anyone. That's the entire point. It has nothing to do with the personnel on the floor, whether they're "tailored" to LeBron or not and everything to do with the fact that Kyrie is one of the shyttiest floor generals in the league and only knows how to get his. What you're essentially asking the Cavs FO to do is put 5 players on the floor who can all create for themselves to mask the fact that Kyrie is a shytty distributor, when literally not a SINGLE team in the NBA has that. The closest is the Warriors and well...

Matter of fact I don't even wanna hear that bullshyt. LeBron took 2 wins, almost 3 off a 67 win team with DIRT and Kyrie can't win with a premier NBA roster because of this bullshyt excuse y'all have cooked up about "the players being built around LeBron." I forgot, every other player can get excuses made for them but the second one is made for LeBron you're a "stanning bytch" fukk outta here

 

[NatiboyB]

1. I bring Lebron in to sign a contract and talk to him about the direction of the team.

2. If he doesn't sign contract I'm blowing this thing up starting with Love and Kyrie and adding the bad contract players to them.

3.If he does sign the contract I get on the phone to the Suns and let them know they can have Kyrie for Bledsoe/Warren and one of Criss/Bender .

 

[Edub]

Nothing....Kyrie doesn't get a trade simply because he wants one. Homie got 2 years left...unless that Russian from NY wanna come down to Cleveland and NY wanna make that happen, homie just gonna have to suck it up.

Tho I would make plans to make him THE GUY for the franchise like I think he wants. The league is structured on contracts....not on wants, sorry Drew

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yeah, so he made 8 Finals playing Bron Ball, which is a better accomplishment than not making it. What cant you understand about that? Losing in the first round is not better than losing in the Finals.

The whole "bail out" narrative is for retards. It's a team sport dummy, he can't score every single point, of course his teammates are going to contribute. You can point to timely buckets made by other players in every single championship run by any big star

And lost 5... very close to 7

And everyone know how he got to 7... Superteams in a weakass conference. Lets not act like he would be there every year without 2 other all-stars in the east

It's a team sport but fakkits like yourself keep giving him all the credit for winning (or just going 8 times like you just mentioned) and none of the blame for losing 5 times.

So which one is it "dummy"???

And losing is losing btw... Well.. atleast to winners

You were probably one of those dudes that were like "Well, at least Lebron averaged a triple double... "

 

[SAINT]

Keep Tristan kardashian far away from Boston please

 

[ghostwriterx]

Yall act like Kyrie had been in the league for a decade or some shyt. The main reason he's had no previous post season success is because the Cavs put a bum ass team around him and gave him two terrible ass coaches.

His record with LeBron out the last 3 years is pretty telling as well.

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Since when? For the past two year we've continually heard how the Cavs have a losing record whenever Bron doesn't play. Any time the Cavs would struggle in the post season we'd hear people saying Kyrie or Love needed to step up because "Lebron can't do it all by himself". The narrative is that when the team is doing well it's because Lebron singlehandedly carried them to a victory, but when they lose it's because Lebron doesn't have enough help and his teammates didn't show up to play.

Before Lebron went back to Cleveland Kyrie was looked at as a guy that could be a franchise cornerstone. He was seen as a ridiculously talented player that was hampered by an incompetent front office, now you got people openly mocking him and saying he wont be shyt without Lebron if he leaves.

Kevin Love was seen as a legit all star caliber players and even a few (mostly white) people were calling him a top 10 player. Now he's a guy that other teams aren't even willing to take as part of a multi team deal.

Since the team was formed Kyrie and Love have regularly been rumored as parts of trades whenever the team struggles. Who wants to play with that sword dangling over their head all the fukking time?

Playing with Lebron gets you more success, but it also seemingly lowers the amount of respect players get.

Plus all they heard was lebron is leaving
Lebron hasn't committed but love has and kyrie still committed even though his deal came before bron signed. Plus lebron keep signing 1 year deals got the entire franchise hostage
This sounds like something lebron and kyrie need to talk about privately

 

[Mic-Nificent]

point is, Kobe stayed and played with shyttier players.

Kevin Love is an All star.

correct me if I'm wrong, who did Kobe have in 04-05, 05-06?

Kobe also got completely fed up with the Front office at one point and demanded a trade. The Lakers front office wasn't as incompetent as the Cavs front office, but they still made some questionable moves. If not for the fact that they drafted well and certain players started to quickly develop Kobe still might have be demanding a trade. Once they got Pau Kobe was all in though.

 

[Karume]

1.Trade Lebron to Philadelphia
2. Trade Love to the Celtics
3. fill out the roster with D league players

 

[VegasCAC]

And lost 5... very close to 7

And everyone know how he got to 7... Superteams in a weakass conference. Lets not act like he would be there every year without 2 other all-stars in the east

It's a team sport but fakkits like yourself keep giving him all the credit for winning (or just going 8 times like you just mentioned) and none of the blame for losing 5 times.

So which one is it "dummy"???

Championships are a team accomplishment, I'm not big on bringing them up to prop up individuals. Anything I say positive about Bron usually regards his individual statistics and accolades.

He doesn't get "all the credit" for winning or losing anything, and neither should anyone, it's a team game

And teams that play Bron ball the past decade have been among the most successful in the league

 

[Marc Spector]

1. I bring Lebron in to sign a contract and talk to him about the direction of the team.

2. If he doesn't sign contract I'm blowing this thing up starting with Love and Kyrie and adding the bad contract players to them.

3.If he does sign the contract I get on the phone to the Suns and let them know they can have Kyrie for Bledsoe/Warren and one of Criss/Bender .

This. All of this can be resolved if Lebron would stop with this one foot out the door bullshyt.