Korea to Triple Baby Payments After It Smashes Own Record for World’s Lowest Fertility Rate

[Wiseborn]

People with low incomes are the ones statistically having the most kids. Including in third world countries. So yeah...no. That's not the issue.

The issue is more cultural/legal than economic. If people want to have kids, they're going to have them no matter what

It's also the realization that women absolutely NEED A MAN!!! My Maid lives in an apartment with her sisters and brothers and she is the only one working.

 

[hatealot]

It's also the realization that women absolutely NEED A MAN!!! My Maid lives in an apartment with her sisters and brothers and she is the only one working.

If you are still in dominican republic . Alot of Dominican men don't like to work and want their women to do all the work nowadays. Of course mileage will vary, there is a very laid back vibe where nobody wants to contribute and will gladly allow someone to do the work if they can take advantage of it. Your maid is being taken advantage of and they know it.

 

[Wiseborn]

So lots of people are debating the economic side of things, here's an actual study from South Korea and it looks like lack of income/housing security DOES play a role in the low birthrates.

https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol44/39/44-39.pdf

Here I'll copy-paste the conclusion:

Results from discrete-time hazard models provide evidence of substantial socioeconomic differentials in fertility. For instance, the husband’s higher education and better employment status (e.g., college education, standard employment) are positively associated with having a first and second childbirth. Also, those who can secure enough money to purchase a house or to deposit a lump-sum for a Jeonse lease have a higher likelihood of having first and second births than those who rent by the month (Weolse).8 At the same time, it is important to note that the association between socioeconomic status and fertility often varies across indicators and gender. In general, higher socioeconomic status seems to be conducive to the transition to parenthood and second birth; however, employed wives are less likely than housewives to have a first child. This reflects the difficulty of combining work and motherhood due to gender norms emphasizing women’s domestic responsibilities and a family-unfriendly work culture (e.g., long work hours and after-work social gatherings) (Brinton 2001; Choe, Bumpass, and Tsuya 2004). While women’s labor force participation is negatively associated with childbirths, the underlying reasons for delaying births may differ by employment status. For example, women in nonstandard employment, who in light of a strong preference for status homogamy in Korea are likely to have husbands with insecure jobs, might delay (or give up) childbearing for economic reasons. On the other hand, women with standard jobs might postpone childbearing for career reasons, since the opportunity costs of leaving standard employment are high in the Korean labor market, where it is almost impossible for married women to find standard employment upon reentry (Brinton 2001). Indeed, the likelihood of making the transition to a second birth is the lowest among wives in standard employment (Model 7, Table 3). A recent qualitative study on highly educated Korean women provides supporting evidence for this possibility by documenting that those who continue working full-time consider having only one child (Brinton and Oh 2019).

In addition, fertility differentials by husbands’ employment status are worth taking into consideration. Women have a lower likelihood of giving birth if their husbands hold nonstandard jobs compared to those whose husbands work in standard employment or self-employment. As discussed above, employment status is not only an indicator of one’s current labor market status but also of one’s future career trajectory in a rigidly segmented Korean labor market. In this context, married couples may postpone having their first child or subsequent children if the husband is not in secure standard employment (or does not run his own business), reflecting the persistent malebreadwinner norm. These findings are consistent with the finding that deteriorating employment prospects for young men are linked to declining marriage and fertility rates (Cherlin 2014; Karabchuk 2020; Ruggles 2015; Yeung and Yang 2020). By considering employment types of both husband and wife, this study also finds that the role of employment in fertility may differ depending on whose labor force participation is examined. Given that prior studies on fertility have often focused only on one spouse’s employment (e.g., including wife’s employment status without considering the effect of husband’s labor market status) (e.g., Kim 2014; Ma 2016), the results of this study show that it is important to understand fertility decisions by looking at the dynamics of couples’ employment status.

Another important finding of this study is the role of homeownership in fertility behaviors. For both first and second births, those with Weolse (monthly rent) are least likely to make the transition to parenthood.9 With skyrocketing home prices and the lack of affordable housing, securing ‘key money’ becomes a challenge and is causing rising household debt in Korea (Sohn 2019). Therefore, policies to help relieve the burden of high housing costs for young couples need to be implemented and expanded as a measure to boost fertility. For instance, Seoul Metropolitan Government provides newlyweds with low mortgage rates and public housing (Seoul Metropolitan Government 2020).






TL/DR: If the husband has a great education, a high-paying job, a stable, secure job, or the couple owns a home they are the most likely to have a kid earlier. But if the husband has less education, a lower-paying job, a non-standard job, or the couple rents their place, they are less likely to have a kid earlier. And they are less likely to have a kid if the woman works, especially if the lower or nonstandard husband income requires the woman to work.

Only problem with this is when Korea was much poorer Korean women pushed kids out like the dikkens now with a much higher standard of living now renting a two bedroom in Seoul makes a woman dry up?

Seems like their appetite for what a Man is increased way more than their standard of living.

 

[Wiseborn]

If you are still in dominican republic . Alot of Dominican men don't like to work and want their women to do all the work. Of course , mileage

I'm in Colombia

But even in the DR it's not that the Men were lazy, Unfortunately for the DR hoing is ingrained in the culture, obviously not all or even most ominican woman don't sell ass but the fact is everyone knows someone who does and it makes everyone have a certain mentality.

i.e. Tourists come down selling dreams of marriage and they hit and leave some money, The chick realzes that foriegners cant be trusted so they get what they can out of them. Same for Dominican Men some bytch that they loved fukked some gringos for the check so the Dominican dude become hard on hoes.

 

[hatealot]

I'm in Colombia

But even in the DR it's not that the Men were lazy, Unfortunately for the DR hoing is ingrained in the culture, obviously not all or even most ominican woman don't sell ass but the fact is everyone knows someone who does and it makes everyone have a certain mentality.

i.e. Tourists come down selling dreams of marriage and they hit and leave some money, The chick realzes that foriegners cant be trusted so they get what they can out of them. Same for Dominican Men some bytch that they loved fukked some gringos for the check so the Dominican dude become hard on hoes.

What part of Colombia are you in?

 

[Wiseborn]

Not a baby factory - South Korea tries to fix demographic crisis with more gender equality

In just over a decade, South Korea has spent the equivalent of a small European economy trying to fix its demographic crisis, yet birthrates have dropped to the lowest in the world.

www.reuters.com

It’s all tied to gender equality. Women were complaining about this stuff for a long time. Korea is VERY backwards when it comes to gender roles and now the government is scrambling to incentivize women to fulfill these roles.

Highlights from the article:


Oh well. Either humans adapt or go the way of the dinosaurs.

But seriously, even tho gender equality is a huge issue here, these issues also reveal the limitations of capitalism and how it can actually hurt family building if people can’t afford them or are working too hard to sustain them.

It's simple as the old Jamaican saying goes Wanty Wanty No Getty; Getty Getty No Wanty.
Korean women's lives are remarkably better than their grandmother's lives and their Grandmas had zillions of kids. Like I said it's an appetite issue.

The Korean chick who works as a software developer for Samsung mother was a rice farmer's wife. The Samsung worker passes dozens of Men everyday that make way more than her father could ever dream of but she could do better.

Meanwhile she gets drunk and fukks an american solider making half her salary because she thought he was cute.

 

[Wiseborn]

What part of Colombia are you in?

I'm in the Southwest.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Unlimited Korean hoes for the brehs, get those passports ready

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

There is a reason why them European nations opened up their borders for alot of immigrants and refugees in the past 20-30 years. They saw them population numbers and knew something had to be done. They ain't bringing people to their countries because they are "nice"....its all business.

Japan, China and Korea..their long term future is BLEAK...you will see them opening up their borders in the next 10-20 years because their shyt is on a freefall right now.

It will probably be too late at that point. If you develop a reputation of being hostile to people who look different, there's little to no incentive for anyone to willingly step foot there to establish roots and a family.

Why would I make the choice to move to a place where every day me and my family are told we don't belong and are merely tolerated at best?

I Crack up when I see online nazis pointing to Asia as models for immigration. Their racism is literally killing the very culture and people they think they're protecting by barring outsiders. There's an old saying "what you resist will persist" by walling themselves in, they're not creating fortresses, they're creating mausoleums.

 

[Wild self]

So lots of people are debating the economic side of things, here's an actual study from South Korea and it looks like lack of income/housing security DOES play a role in the low birthrates.

https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol44/39/44-39.pdf

Here I'll copy-paste the conclusion:

Results from discrete-time hazard models provide evidence of substantial socioeconomic differentials in fertility. For instance, the husband’s higher education and better employment status (e.g., college education, standard employment) are positively associated with having a first and second childbirth. Also, those who can secure enough money to purchase a house or to deposit a lump-sum for a Jeonse lease have a higher likelihood of having first and second births than those who rent by the month (Weolse).8 At the same time, it is important to note that the association between socioeconomic status and fertility often varies across indicators and gender. In general, higher socioeconomic status seems to be conducive to the transition to parenthood and second birth; however, employed wives are less likely than housewives to have a first child. This reflects the difficulty of combining work and motherhood due to gender norms emphasizing women’s domestic responsibilities and a family-unfriendly work culture (e.g., long work hours and after-work social gatherings) (Brinton 2001; Choe, Bumpass, and Tsuya 2004). While women’s labor force participation is negatively associated with childbirths, the underlying reasons for delaying births may differ by employment status. For example, women in nonstandard employment, who in light of a strong preference for status homogamy in Korea are likely to have husbands with insecure jobs, might delay (or give up) childbearing for economic reasons. On the other hand, women with standard jobs might postpone childbearing for career reasons, since the opportunity costs of leaving standard employment are high in the Korean labor market, where it is almost impossible for married women to find standard employment upon reentry (Brinton 2001). Indeed, the likelihood of making the transition to a second birth is the lowest among wives in standard employment (Model 7, Table 3). A recent qualitative study on highly educated Korean women provides supporting evidence for this possibility by documenting that those who continue working full-time consider having only one child (Brinton and Oh 2019).

In addition, fertility differentials by husbands’ employment status are worth taking into consideration. Women have a lower likelihood of giving birth if their husbands hold nonstandard jobs compared to those whose husbands work in standard employment or self-employment. As discussed above, employment status is not only an indicator of one’s current labor market status but also of one’s future career trajectory in a rigidly segmented Korean labor market. In this context, married couples may postpone having their first child or subsequent children if the husband is not in secure standard employment (or does not run his own business), reflecting the persistent malebreadwinner norm. These findings are consistent with the finding that deteriorating employment prospects for young men are linked to declining marriage and fertility rates (Cherlin 2014; Karabchuk 2020; Ruggles 2015; Yeung and Yang 2020). By considering employment types of both husband and wife, this study also finds that the role of employment in fertility may differ depending on whose labor force participation is examined. Given that prior studies on fertility have often focused only on one spouse’s employment (e.g., including wife’s employment status without considering the effect of husband’s labor market status) (e.g., Kim 2014; Ma 2016), the results of this study show that it is important to understand fertility decisions by looking at the dynamics of couples’ employment status.

Another important finding of this study is the role of homeownership in fertility behaviors. For both first and second births, those with Weolse (monthly rent) are least likely to make the transition to parenthood.9 With skyrocketing home prices and the lack of affordable housing, securing ‘key money’ becomes a challenge and is causing rising household debt in Korea (Sohn 2019). Therefore, policies to help relieve the burden of high housing costs for young couples need to be implemented and expanded as a measure to boost fertility. For instance, Seoul Metropolitan Government provides newlyweds with low mortgage rates and public housing (Seoul Metropolitan Government 2020).






TL/DR: If the husband has a great education, a high-paying job, a stable, secure job, or the couple owns a home they are the most likely to have a kid earlier. But if the husband has less education, a lower-paying job, a non-standard job, or the couple rents their place, they are less likely to have a kid earlier. And they are less likely to have a kid if the woman works, especially if the lower or nonstandard husband income requires the woman to work.

So landlords are the problem. They single handily stop the population from growin.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Only problem with this is when Korea was much poorer Korean women pushed kids out like the dikkens now with a much higher standard of living now renting a two bedroom in Seoul makes a woman dry up?

Seems like their appetite for what a Man is increased way more than their standard of living.

It's simple as the old Jamaican saying goes Wanty Wanty No Getty; Getty Getty No Wanty.
Korean women's lives are remarkably better than their grandmother's lives and their Grandmas had zillions of kids. Like I said it's an appetite issue.

The Korean chick who works as a software developer for Samsung mother was a rice farmer's wife. The Samsung worker passes dozens of Men everyday that make way more than her father could ever dream of but she could do better.

Meanwhile she gets drunk and fukks an american solider making half her salary because she thought he was cute.

Yeah, I should have realized this wasn't going to be a serious conversation

 

[Wiseborn]

It will probably be too late at that point. If you develop a reputation of being hostile to people who look different, there's little to no incentive for anyone to willingly step foot there to establish roots and a family.

Why would I make the choice to move to a place where every day me and my family are told we don't belong and are merely tolerated at best?

I Crack up when I see online nazis pointing to Asia as models for immigration. Their racism is literally killing the very culture and people they think they're protecting by barring outsiders. There's an old saying "what you resist will persist" by walling themselves in, they're not creating fortresses, they're creating mausoleums.

Asia is so racist that Japan started a pilot program to get Japanese brazilians jobs and citizenship in Japan. (Brazil had a lot of Japanese migration before world war II). These Japanese Brazilians are completely ethinically Japanese They didn't mix nearly as much as other Brazilians did and they were rejected by Japanese society.

The problem was Cultural differences although ethically Japanese Japanese Brazilans embraced Samba, Carnival culture etc.


Same thing with Japanese americans Japan doesn't fukk with them. No wonder it was so easy to get Japanese americans even with their relatives in internment camps to fight hard against the Japanese.

 

[Wiseborn]

Yeah, I should have realized this wasn't going to be a serious conversation

Well one thing I know for certain is that Korean women don't give a fukk about the greater good or society in general, because it's one thing to for whatever reason decide to not have children but to take money from the state and turn around and have one or even two children will send their economy rocketing into poverty. The tax base is shirnking rapildly yet the entiltements are up.

 

[MMS]

all the folks saying its a money thing are dense

its cause they dont want their own men, just like every other country with low birth rates. If the women dont want to see more of you, they wont. Thats why you see all the rapey/cringe shyt coming from them cause they see the writing on the wall. Neoteny has two sides and it doesnt favor men like men would like to think it does

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Well one thing I know for certain is that Korean women don't give a fukk about the greater good or society in general, because it's one thing to for whatever reason decide to not have children but to take money from the state and turn around and have one or even two children will send their economy rocketing into poverty. The tax base is shirnking rapildly yet the entiltements are up.

Korean GDP is up over 425% since 1998, nearly double the growth of USA GDP in the same time period. The taxbase has fukking skyrocketed.

Like I said, I shouldn't have expected to have a serious conversation with you. You have your agenda, it's kinda ugly, and it clearly overrides the facts.