Kobe at 22 vs LeBron at 22

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We don't know that. A Lakers team built around Kobe exclusively could've contended back then too. Let y'all tell it tho Kobe was a slightly better JR Smith.

Contended like the Boston Celtics or Rockets last year :mjlol:

Fake contender :mjlol:

Kobe wasn't ready to win as number one option until 07-08 when he started pacing himself, understanding the importance of versatility, and had more trust in his squad.

It's why he was losing 3-1 leads and having embarrassing performances against the Pistons despite having Prime Shaq.
 

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Yeah, Kobe 41% Finals shooting ass gonna pull tricks out his bag and will the Cavs to victory over a 73-9 team that added Kevin Durant. :mjlol:
Kobetards saying that if bron had 25% of the offensive game the woat finals performer among all the all time greats had, he would have won the finals. Breh would have been swept and shot his team out the series :mjlol:
 

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They won't learn. LeBron is better than Kobe at any stage of development.

He took scrubs to the Finals and had one of the greatest playoff games of All-Time. This was actually an off-year for LeBron as he battled tendinitis and other injuries during the season.

And as always the shytty Shaq clogging the paint excuse. Nobody wants to see a Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James P&R. Nobody.

Kobe wasn't no second option he led the team in shots and usage. He's the wing so he had the ball more. Shaq was just the best, most dominant player on the team.
He beat two .500 teams and the pistons who no longer had ben wallace. Stop overrating that run.
 

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He beat two .500 teams and the pistons who no longer had ben wallace. Stop overrating that run.
The Pistons didn't have Ben Wallace but they were still the first seed, still had a top 5 defense, still had the rest of their core intact. They had championship pedigree and were on their 5th straight ECF. He was the underdog in the series. And he had one of the best games in playoff history scoring 48 and 29 of the last 30 with a GW shot. Cavs had no business winning 50 games that year either. Foh.
 

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Contended like the Boston Celtics or Rockets last year :mjlol:

Fake contender :mjlol:

Kobe wasn't ready to win as number one option until 07-08 when he started pacing himself, understanding the importance of versatility, and had more trust in his squad.

It's why he was losing 3-1 leads and having embarrassing performances against the Pistons despite having Prime Shaq.

Nah, a strong contending team around Kobe competes for titles. He was already an advanced player when he was young you're really selling him short given the tremendous amount of responsibilities he had during the Shaq years. He had the maturity to lead a championship squad since he was so singularly driven to be great.

Having more trust in your squad has everything to do with your squad playing up to par. Every time someone brings up the suns series it lets me know how fraudulent the "trust your teammates" argument is when it comes to Kobe. He had no choice but to trust his teammates in that situation and lost the 3-1 lead you just referrred to, mind you, that 3-1 lead was achieved with arguably the weakest team Kobe ever played on vs the #2 seed and at that point the back to back NBA MVP.

Once the team around him raised its level of play and got better this so called trust turned into success. It wasn't some magical eureka moment or something. You bring up the Pistons finals but that Lakers team was nowhere near as good as any of the 3peat teams. The bench was non-existent, the Kobe/Shaq/Phil/Buss schisms were reaching a boiling point, our starting PF was Slava Medvedenko going up against sheed. I'll be frank I still think they should've won but that's a lot to have stacked against you.

These bullshyt regurgitated espn talkin points don't speak to me breh. Kobe wasn't afforded the freedom LeBron got and still made the most of it. From what my eyes saw, Kobe was the better of the two imo.
 

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Contended like the Boston Celtics or Rockets last year :mjlol:

Fake contender :mjlol:

Kobe wasn't ready to win as number one option until 07-08 when he started pacing himself, understanding the importance of versatility, and had more trust in his squad.

It's why he was losing 3-1 leads and having embarrassing performances against the Pistons despite having Prime Shaq.
He blew a 3-1 lead because he had faith in his teammates and they failed him. Pussies only needed to grab one rebound and they couldn't.

Shaq played liek shyt in them finals too. The whole team did. Karl Malone was the reason they even made it to the finals and he didn't even get a chance to play.
 

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The Pistons didn't have Ben Wallace but they were still the first seed, still had a top 5 defense, still had the rest of their core intact. They had championship pedigree and were on their 5th straight ECF. He was the underdog in the series. And he had one of the best games in playoff history scoring 48 and 29 of the last 30 with a GW shot. Cavs had no business winning 50 games that year either. Foh.
Chauncey Billups and Gayshuan Prince lost that series. Just like Ringworm Wallace lost the finals to SA. Titty Gibson also had a historic game against those Pissedons is he a legend, was he ready to lead a team?
 

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He blew a 3-1 lead because he had faith in his teammates and they failed him. Pussies only needed to grab one rebound and they couldn't.

Shaq played liek shyt in them finals too. The whole team did. Karl Malone was the reason they even made it to the finals and he didn't even get a chance to play.


Exactly. No doubt Kobe played like shyt, but the entire team was on some super dysfunctional shyt. People act like everyone was in line and kobe just ruined it...please....do people even remember that season? Whole starting lineup had beef with each other or with Phil, and Karl didn't play in the Finals.

And i love how people love to conveniently leave out the fact Kobe was dealing with a rape case that whole season. What the fukk was Bron dealing with when he choked against Dallas? Nothing except his own bytchassness. But let a Bron slurper tell it, Kobe against the Pistons was worse :mjlol:
 

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He blew a 3-1 lead because he had faith in his teammates and they failed him. Pussies only needed to grab one rebound and they couldn't.

Shaq played liek shyt in them finals too. The whole team did. Karl Malone was the reason they even made it to the finals and he didn't even get a chance to play.
Negged. I can't sanction your buffoonery :beli:
 
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Even the most die hard kobe Stan has to admit that Bronx first 4 years were better than kobes it's not even a comparison

Maybe if you're just basing it on stats.

But if you know anything you know there were different circumstances. Kobe was the first to come out of high school as a guard. People didn't know how to deal with that. He went to a contender. He played behind an all-star SG (Eddie Jones) in his prime. He was playing with the best player in the NBA at the time (Shaq).

LeBron came into the worst team in the NBA. By this time the NBA was used to high school perimter players playing right off in the NBA. LeBron was handed the starting job. He was playing 40 minutes a night from the jump and had the ball in his hands every play.

Totally different circumstances.

I believe if you put Kobe in LeBron's situation he has just as much success off the bat if not more. Kobe was ready day 1 to dominate. This idea he needed to develop is false. Go and look up his highlights as a rookie during summer league. He looked like the Kobe we saw throughout his entire career.

If you put Kobe on the 2003 Cavs as a 18 year old rookie, he would've actually averaged 24 ppg as a rookie and 30 ppg as a 2nd year player.
 
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Kobetards saying that if bron had 25% of the offensive game the woat finals performer among all the all time greats had, he would have won the finals. Breh would have been swept and shot his team out the series :mjlol:
The thing that kills me is you have folks in here talking as if LeBron doesn't have 3 championships as the MAN on his team.
 
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