KKKliq fan calls New Day koons, New Day member intellectually dismembers his argument

[stro]

Its a nuanced discussion. There's some subversive stuff in the gimmick - because neither one of those dudes would be considered 'real nikkas' in any part of Afram culture just based on their personalities and stuff they enjoy. They don't play to those kind of conventional stereotypes.

But to be sincere, its not a coincidence they're the only grown men on the roster who twerk. And talk about booty randomly. And they happen to be the only black men in any position of prominence in the company.

So, some truth on both sides.

Does this mean a gay black man can't be a "real nikka"?

 

[malbaker86]

That Booty O's box is a bit tho

 

[TL15]

Woods is wrong here. Sorry. Them nikkas whole shyt now is dancing to the ring, sometimes dressed like watermelons.
Kofi was billed as "jamaican". Woods was and still is dancing to the ring. Big E still is just a big strong black guy.
And he's wrong about the fact that blacks have not always been those 3 stereotypes. Booker T and Stevie Ray were allowed to be a Alpha black males as Harlem Heat. Booker was the best "king" wrestling ever saw. The Nation of Domination were as pro black as you could ever get as characters. And so on. Now if he'd brought up the lack of world title reigns amongst blacks he'd have a point. But New Day as it is now is very c00nish. It's blatantly c00nish. With that said, black people still was hittin that "#blackexcellence" because sometimes you gotta take what you can get, but Woods wrong here.

Though I agree with you...in some respects... what if they are naturally "goofy" guys who like to dance? Is that "c00nin" because they aren't acting how you would like them to act? Why do black wrestlers have to fit one of two types to fans (all of us): either strong dominant "kick ass" dudes, or "c00ns?"

Was Scotty Too Hotty doing anything "bad" while he was dancing to the ring...if he wanted to
Is Enzo doing anything inherently "disrespectful to his race" by dancing to the ring like a goofball

Or

Is it ONLY bad when black people do it?

To Woods' point, I don't know how any of these people are as humans. Big E is a big dude...he played college football. He can't really be "billed" as anything else considering that's what he is. He is a big strong dude, you're allowed to be a big strong power-lifting dude and still be goofy. Kofi being "Jamaican" is one I can't really refute. Xavier Woods REALLY likes video games, he runs a gaming channel. It seems like (from their interactions off screen) that these dudes are naturally happy go lucky kind of people (who happen to be black) and sometimes we see that as "automatic c00ning" when it may just be who they are as people.

Just a different way to look at things I don't think it's c00ning if they like to dance and be goofy. I think it's c00ning if someone behind the camera is telling them "dance dance for me" and they are doing it against their true character. But if thats who they are as people (and trust me I know PLENTY of regular non wrestler black men who are just as corny, goofy, happy go lucky, anime watching, video game playing, dance for the fun of it, dudes) why do we have to label it as negative?

 

[8WON6]

Though I agree with you...in some respects... what if they are naturally "goofy" guys who like to dance? Is that "c00nin" because they aren't acting how you would like them to act? Why do black wrestlers have to fit one of two types to fans (all of us): either strong dominant "kick ass" dudes, or "c00ns?"

Was Scotty Too Hotty doing anything "bad" while he was dancing to the ring...if he wanted to
Is Enzo doing anything inherently "disrespectful to his race" by dancing to the ring like a goofball

Or

Is it ONLY bad when black people do it?

To Woods' point, I don't know how any of these people are as humans. Big E is a big dude...he played college football. He can't really be "billed" as anything else considering that's what he is. He is a big strong dude, you're allowed to be a big strong power-lifting dude and still be goofy. Kofi being "Jamaican" is one I can't really refute. Xavier Woods REALLY likes video games, he runs a gaming channel. It seems like (from their interactions off screen) that these dudes are naturally happy go lucky kind of people (who happen to be black) and sometimes we see that as "automatic c00ning" when it may just be who they are as people.

Just a different way to look at things I don't think it's c00ning if they like to dance and be goofy. I think it's c00ning if someone behind the camera is telling them "dance dance for me" and they are doing it against their true character. But if thats who they are as people (and trust me I know PLENTY of regular non wrestler black men who are just as corny, goofy, happy go lucky, anime watching, video game playing, dance for the fun of it, dudes) why do we have to label it as negative?

the issue i have is that he made it like black people only fit 3 stereotypes. He talked about New Day breaking molds, but they didn't. I already mentioned King Booker, Harlem Heat, Nation of Domination...now lets look at other black wrestlers...BoogeyMan, Papa Shango, Shelton Benjamin, MVP, even Kamala, Viscera, D-Von, Mr. Hughes, Virgil, Cryme Tyme, Bad News Brown...etc..aside from being black, they all fit the same mold? And that's just WWE. I'm just not going to let him act like New Day of all people broke some mold.

And reducing it to dancers and "kick ass dudes" is disingenuous. You could reduce white wrestlers like Brock and Steve Austin to kick ass dudes, when they don't fit the same mold.

The liking videogames aspect of it doesn't have anything to do with it though. Three black men gyrating and making sexual jokes comes off as c00nish. We all know New Day didn't start this way. But looking at it NOW, somebody need to step in and pull them back a bit.

 

[jadillac]

isnt this Alex Thomas???

 

[puppetmaster]

Xavier broke it down in the most intelligent of ways. That whole "not black enough" issue is one of the most terrible experiences you can have as an educated black minority. To this day at my job I still recieve the whole "you are so articulate, good for you (which might as well be followed by ******)" "compliment" from white people. So good for Xavier for bringing this into casual perspective. This idiot is lucky it was Xavier and NOT Big E btw.

yup Xaiver did that about as precise as could be done. Big E would've made him burn his phone


I fit the age old "big scary black guy" description to a tee so I feel you

people get legit shocked when they realize i'm quite cerebral and actually have a great sense of humor.

I'm quick to hit em with the " don't project your insecurities and labels on me" though when they try the "you're so articulate" stuff.

its 2017 and some folks still really do think it's a compliment to present that stuff to a black man

 

[Golayitdown]

isnt this Alex Thomas???

Yep

 

[TBdaGhost]

Wtf makes them look like slaves?



Dumb ass people man

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

.now lets look at other black wrestlers...BoogeyMan, Papa Shango, (2 characters from the south with voodoo gimmicks, let's not go into Kama melting the urn into a gold chain) Shelton Benjamin, (started off as a straight forward wrestler, evolved into a cocky character with blond hair like Simon Phoenix) MVP, (cocky athlete gimmick who did a dance then elbow drop) even Kamala, (played a primitive African slapping his belly and stomping. His face turn was Slick convincing him he was a man),Viscera, (his last gimmick was a sex addict humping other men) D-Von, (a preacher dancing around giving last rites) Mr. Hughes, (a badass silent bodyguard constantly mean mugging)Virgil, ()Cryme Tyme, (hustlers based on the Homeboy Shopping Network from In Living Color) Bad News Brown(the only person who didn't have some sort of stereotypical gimmick outside of the badass) ...etc..aside from being black, they all fit the same mold? And that's just WWE. I'm just not going to let him act like New Day of all people broke some mold

 

[dh86]

Sooooo you're telling me that New Day DOESN'T dance and shuck and jive?

Youre telling me Kofi ISN'T foreign?

And youre really telling me Big E ISNT a big black strong guy? Who gets pushed as a big black strong guy that DOES shuck and jive and twerk?


Are you really standing by that claim? Are you blind?

Do you believe the New Day are being anybody other than their real selves now? Don't you remember the vignettes when they were supposed to be ultra positive preachers? They are being them. Big E is a big strong power lifter. That's not all there is to him though. That's what New Day is about. Black people aren't monolithic, anyone black can tell you about a time where they had to be boxed in to only express one side of them.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Though I agree with you...in some respects... what if they are naturally "goofy" guys who like to dance? Is that "c00nin" because they aren't acting how you would like them to act? Why do black wrestlers have to fit one of two types to fans (all of us): either strong dominant "kick ass" dudes, or "c00ns?"

Was Scotty Too Hotty doing anything "bad" while he was dancing to the ring...if he wanted to
Is Enzo doing anything inherently "disrespectful to his race" by dancing to the ring like a goofball

Or

Is it ONLY bad when black people do it?

To Woods' point, I don't know how any of these people are as humans. Big E is a big dude...he played college football. He can't really be "billed" as anything else considering that's what he is. He is a big strong dude, you're allowed to be a big strong power-lifting dude and still be goofy. Kofi being "Jamaican" is one I can't really refute. Xavier Woods REALLY likes video games, he runs a gaming channel. It seems like (from their interactions off screen) that these dudes are naturally happy go lucky kind of people (who happen to be black) and sometimes we see that as "automatic c00ning" when it may just be who they are as people.

Just a different way to look at things I don't think it's c00ning if they like to dance and be goofy. I think it's c00ning if someone behind the camera is telling them "dance dance for me" and they are doing it against their true character. But if thats who they are as people (and trust me I know PLENTY of regular non wrestler black men who are just as corny, goofy, happy go lucky, anime watching, video game playing, dance for the fun of it, dudes) why do we have to label it as negative?

Say word. One of the issues we as black men have to deal with is the extra pressure of watching every little thing we do and say based on how it will be perceived. White guys normally don't have to deal with that. They're allowed to be multiple things and show multiple facets of who they are without being labeled. If any of us do something like Adam Sandler's school of comedy, we're labeled sellouts and c00ns by our own people. If we do something like say we love comics and video games (like most of us on this fukking site) then we're labeled as "not real" which is also complete and utter bullshyt. We like to believe there's one way to be black and one black experience but there isn't. We're diverse personalities with diverse backgrounds with a history that binds us and some common threads here and there but that's it. Anytime someone questions how black someone is or how real they are or any shyt like that, it pisses me off because it's incredibly shortsighted and just another form of oppression

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

Thought they finally snapped back on @Da King

 

[Heelish]

Kamala, (played a primitive African slapping his belly and stomping. His face turn was Slick convincing him he was a man)

Vince is a twisted POS

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Xavier said "There was a time where being black meant that you were either foreign, a dancer, or you were simply the big black strong guy"


That's exactly who the New Day is now

I completely forgot Kofi kingston is Jamaican.

 

[Breh Obama]

I completely forgot Kofi kingston is Jamaican.

He's African