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He said Trump was an active disruptor or whatever the fukk that means lmao
he's a Brit, he's a Boris Johnson stan

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he's a Brit, he's a Boris Johnson stan

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Why Jeremy Corbyn likes Trump
British Labour leader sees the billionaire’s victory as proof that the liberal center is dead.



By CHARLIE COOPER AND TOM MCTAGUE

11/11/16, 4:31 PM CET
Updated 11/11/16, 4:33 PM CET

LONDON — In the topsy-turvy world of 2016, the election of Donald Trump in the U.S. has given hope to hard-left Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K.

While Bernie Sanders was in tears, Corbyn’s supporters were quietly much more sanguine about the demagogic billionaire’s victory — proof, they believe, that the liberal center is dead; that the untested and radical are the ones who triumph in the new politics of the West.


Although diametrically opposed in terms of values and temperament, Trump and Corbyn have more in common than first meets the eye.

Deficit spending to get people back to work? Tick. American isolationism? Tick.Opposition to free trade and skepticism about globalization? Tick and tick.

Corbyn’s shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry acknowledged the similarities on BBC Radio 4’s Today program Thursday.

“I don’t think it would be right to say Jeremy welcomes [Trump’s win] but I think he recognizes what is happening,” she said.

The Labour leader himself also noted the parallels in his response to the news of Trump’s victory.

The billionaire’s election was “an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people,” Corbyn said. “It is one that has delivered escalating inequality and stagnating or falling living standards for the majority, both in the U.S. and Britain.”

Or as one of Corbyn’s senior aides put it: “The political center is being totally remade.”

Labour members’ rejection of their own party’s more centrist approach under Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband is precisely what carried Corbyn to the leadership.

His team believe that a significant portion of the disaffected, left-behind voters who backed Trump in the U.S. would have supported Sanders if he had been the Democratic nominee — and that same constituency in Britain could swing behind Sanders’ socialist comrade Corbyn.

But Labour has sunk in the polls, and its pro-Remain stance in the EU referendum was rejected by a third of its supporters. The anti-politics, anti-establishment sentiment that Corbyn has identified was, in the U.K., already given vent by the vote for Brexit, where Labour was on the losing side.

Theresa May, by contrast, has not wasted time in characterizing herself as the champion of all of those who voted to leave the EU, including that one-third of Labour supporters, who she attempted to woo in a party conference speech last month that promised a big state, measures to reduce income inequality and — crucially — characterized immigration as a problem for working-class people. Corbyn is also much softer on immigration.

Trump’s victory will likely confirm May’s belief that a hardline stance on immigration — combined with the pose of being a champion to people left behind by economic growth — is a winning formula for politicians on the Right to erode the Left’s base.

At the moment, the idea of Corbyn delivering a Trump-sized upset in British politics appears remote but, as Thornberry reminded the BBC Thursday, things change quickly these days.

This insight is from POLITICO’s Brexit Files newsletter, a daily afternoon digest of the best coverage and analysis of Britain’s decision to leave the EU. Read today’s edition or subscribe here.

Why Jeremy Corbyn likes Trump


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You're still assuming/hoping that I'm sort of MAGA shythead who loves Donald Trump and hope he succeeds, so let me say this again for you.

I don't give a fukk if he was talking out of his ass, he commanded a large cult following who was responding to whatever he was saying.

My support strategy wasn't predicated on the truthfulness of his schizophrenic statements, they were predicated on the space that would open up if he was elected. It ultimately didn't matter if he was truthful and would pursue those progressive agendas or he was lying and breaks the political status quo while granting legitimacy to the progressive counter. Both end with a mainstreaming of the progressive agenda.

You have never seen me defend Donald Trump as some sort of fukking moral arbiter or righteous dude. He is a useful idiot who expended his value the day he was elected. I think he and the rest of his administration should be brought before the Hague and shot.

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So you thought Trump wouldn't enact strictly ultra-conservative policies? These conservative policies will be overturned by a progressive party...when? When? All those judges. All that damage in the meantime. Tell me more about this accelerationist theory you are so fond of. I want proof that voting for the opposite of what you want will give you what you want. Your thinking is based on sound political philosophy...right?

You were taken in by Bannon's hardcore racist movement and his desire for perpetual religious war and division across the world? So now we have dumbass generation Z being taken in by *****, HateTube and "moderates but really conservatives" because we ceded ground to this farce of a culture war. We have far-right shootings and violence that was created from the milieu of US politics and it has infected the world.

You didn't see the rhetorical overlap between you and the average Fox News viewer ("burn the system down" "he's different so therefore good")? This whole rhetoric of "we have to get him in so we can tear down the system" is beyond dangerous thinking. You thought Trump deserved to have access to nukes and the US military? In 2015 and 2016? Do you at least see that it is hard to distinguish you from an agent of chaos?

Black and from the UK? How old were you in 2015 and 2016? Sixteen? Seventeen?
 

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It’s like the juelz gif was created specifically for this post.
Studies have shown a correlation between harboring bigoted beliefs like anti-semitism and low intellect so yes, I can understand why this is all very difficult for you to understand.
 

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Studies have shown a correlation between harboring bigoted beliefs like anti-semitism and low intellect so yes, I can understand why this is all very difficult for you to understand.
Lol you’re the one who is so dumb you thought you could topple the neoliberal order by electing a neoliberal who doubles as a neofascist. :mjlol:

You should probably keep shots at peoples’ intellect to yourself.
 

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So you thought Trump wouldn't enact strictly ultra-conservative policies? These conservative policies will be overturned by a progressive party...when? When? All those judges. All that damage in the meantime. Tell me more about this accelerationist theory you are so fond of. I want proof that voting for the opposite of what you want will give you what you want. Your thinking is based on sound political philosophy...right?
I wasn't sure what policies Trump would enact, he was a wild card candidate. His administration has been much more standardly conservative than I anticipated, but to say he's enacted strictly ultra-conservative policies is a stretch. Economically, GOP Tax Scam is, yes, boilerplate conservative dogma, but his approaches to trade and tariffs, willingness to take on China, and (schizophrenic) attacks on market concentration don't really lend themselves to any currently coherent political ideology. Similar story militarily, he's done a lot of standard neocon embracing of Israel and Saudi Arabia, as well as saber-rattling when it comes to Syria, Iran and Venezuela, but his overtures to North Korea, Russia and ultimate turning away from the hawkish path with Iran (so far :merchant:) again denote far less ideological discipline than you're ascribing.

The courts are absolutely where Trump has done the most unique damage. If my theory fails anywhere, it fails there. But that would require a failure of the progressive movement to structurally remake the courts in one form or another, just letting the movement wither and die on the vine of the judiciary. I have faith in the emergence of divergent progressive thinking when it comes to dealing with this fukked judiciary. I think they are up to that task. We're already seeing the idea of court-packing and rotational appointments being mainstreamed.

I don't think what I was advocating was really even accelerationism in the true sense of the term, just an acknowledgment of the inability for the existing order to deal with the issues of the times. I think where we differ is you seem to believe there was no damage taking place under the pre-Trump status quo, whereas I believed that status quo to be grotesque and intolerable.

As for proof, watch the progressive movement. If they fail, I was wrong. If they succeed, catch you on the flip side.

You were taken in by Bannon's hardcore racist movement and his desire for perpetual religious war and division across the world? So now we have dumbass generation Z being taken in by *****, HateTube and "moderates but really conservatives" because we ceded ground to this farce of a culture war. We have far-right shootings and violence that was created from the milieu of US politics and it has infected the world.
...excuse me? I was one of the most consistent anti-imperialist voice during the 2016 election. You don't have to take my word for it, use the search function. If you can find a single post where I'm advocating for "perpetual religious war and division across the world" I'll gladly leave this forum. I think you genuinely might be confusing me for another poster?

Either way, your analysis here is very incoherent. I'm not sure what the links you're drawing between Bannon and the forever wars and mass-shootings have to do with me, but go off king!

You didn't see the rhetorical overlap between you and the average Fox News viewer ("burn the system down" "he's different so therefore good")? This whole rhetoric of "we have to get him in so we can tear down the system" is beyond dangerous thinking. You thought Trump deserved to have access to nukes and the US military? In 2015 and 2016? Do you at least see that it is hard to distinguish you from an agent of chaos?
The rhetoric of "burning the system down" isn't solely the domain of the right-wing. That's in fact a very pernicious and reactionary take designed to neuter objection to this brutal, unjust system predicated on the predation of the economically, socially, and racially marginalized. I personally come from a left-wing intellectual/philosophical background with critiques of the neoliberal system of globalized/concentrated capital, wealth extraction, depth of white supremacy inextricably interwoven into the American status quo, etc. That the average Fox News viewer sees the unsustainability and harm being enacted by the status quo and you cannot is not an indictment of them, it's an indictment of you. If you think things pre-Trump were going fine, then of course you're going to think it's "beyond dangerous" to advocate an upheaval of the system.

Trump is dangerous and should not be the commander-in-chief or have access to America's nuclear arsenal, but he really hasn't done any actual military damage that doesn't track with the foreign policy status quo. His record is pretty much in line with his predecessors. The difference between you and I is that I don't think they should have been commander-in-chief either! So when it comes to actual military action, Trump is not an anomaly to me. He is to people who want Yemeni children to be drone-murdered with a nice smile.

Black and from the UK? How old were you in 2015 and 2016? Sixteen? Seventeen?
:heh: How are you connecting those dots? Was there some immigration ban on Black people from the UK for a period of time I was unaware of?
 

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Lol you’re the one who is so dumb you thought you could topple the neoliberal order by electing a neoliberal who doubles as a neofascist. :mjlol:

You should probably keep shots at peoples’ intellect to yourself.
*looks at your av*

*blinks*

*rubs eyes and looks at your av again*

Aight man have a good one.
 
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