Kicking Down Doors Via The Ski Mask Way *Philadelphia Eagles Off-Season Thread*

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All the people shytting on Wentz .... need to stop.:stopitslime:

We are not winning that superbowl without what he did in those first twelve games in 2017. Did y all forget? That homefield was critical to that run.

Im not worried about Wentz long term. This season was flukey, , no offseason work, no running game, him coming off injury and Pederson callin a different game when he is in versus Foles.

Dude is young and hasnt had that moment in the league when running the offense is second nature to him. Let him learn from his mistakes.

Wat I saw in 2017 with Wentz with a running game....... the mobility, play recognition and touch on the throws :banderas:.



Foles is that guy forever but Wentz has much better upside long term.




























But God help Wentz if 2019-2020 is shakey for him again:ld:. I know Philly, he may not survive it.
 
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hold up playa ! it dont matter what u say bout the last game of the season . wentz got destroyed against the saints . without that alshon drop it was looking like we was goin in to win that game .at the hardest place to win on the road in the playoffs tgis year. I guarantee patriot fans wasn't saying brady was " wasting the efforts of the defense " in the Superbowl the first 3 qtrs. nobody gonna throw for 300 every game and blow every body out but when shyt on the line who put the drive together. there's a reason brady has the most game winning drives in the playoffs because every game is close like that.

the start of the season the team limped into the first two foles starts . no alshon which we know how him and foles get down. online beat up. you right there's no guarantee foles wins .but I can guarantee one thing we was sitting ducks until Foles got in and set it off with the exact same team wentz had.

I don't know breh. 48 points given up versus 20. And Foles provided only 7 more points offensively. Its more appropriate to say the defense got destroyed and Wentz was shut down.

While its questionable if Wentz could have done what Foles did last playoff run. I have zero doubt that he could do what Foles did last month, or against the Texans and Rams. I could have won that final game against the slurs....

I've never asked an Eagles fan this. But you are the first I feel to need to ask this question to.

Do you think Wentz 2017 season was a fluke?
 

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I don't know breh. 48 points given up versus 20. And Foles provided only 7 more points offensively. Its more appropriate to say the defense got destroyed and Wentz was shut down.

While its questionable if Wentz could have done what Foles did last playoff run. I have zero doubt that he could do what Foles did last month, or against the Texans and Rams. I could have won that final game against the slurs....

I've never asked an Eagles fan this. But you are the first I feel to need to ask this question to.

Do you think Wentz 2017 season was a fluke?
il tell you this I don't think he could have beat the Texans and the rams I just don't see it. and the bears once again supposedly the best defense in the league in the cold on their home field . we know what foles did .

do I think 2017 was a fluke:patrice: I'm not gonna say it was a fluke but I'm more impressed with Foles . i just like the vibe the team has with Foles and the offense is just better . even 2017 the offense under wentz isn't like when foles gets it goin . can you imagine with a running game get back eight too:ohlawd:. I don't care what corner you got go get him when foles in alshon bout to get off. wentz ain't putting that fear in nobody. I have no choice but to hope wentz can step it up next season
 
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il tell you this I don't think he could have beat the Texans and the rams I just don't see it. and the bears once again supposedly the best defense in the league in the cold on their home field . we know what foles did .

do I think 2017 was a fluke:patrice: I'm not gonna say it was a fluke but I'm more impressed with Foles . i just like the vibe the team has with Foles and the offense is just better . even 2017 the offense under wentz isn't like when foles gets it goin . can you imagine with a running game get back eight too:ohlawd:. I don't care what corner you got go get him when foles in alshon bout to get off. wentz ain't purring that fear in nobody. I have no choice but to hope wentz can step it up next season

I don't see how you feel the offense is better when we legit had the #1 scoring offense until Wentz got injured. 31 points a game, one of the highest in league history during that 13 game stretch. 3rd and 4th down efficiency. Redzone efficiency. Wtf, how did he do it plays galore.

I can't/won't argue your opinion on who you think is better, that's not for me to dictate. But I can tell you objectively that this team has shown better with Wentz than Foles overall if we are comparing their last two seasons. Foles does have higher highs with the playoff victories, but also has a good portion of the lows.

Not sure if you're joking about not putting fear in anyone. You had to have missed what opposing corners, safeties, DL and even fellow QBs have said about him. Hell even Jalen Ramsey came out and said Wentz and Watson got next as the best two QBs in the league. And that nikka shyts on EVERYBODY lmao.

As breh gangreen said though, next year will be telling. Most patient and rational Eagles fans understand that Wentz was injured and that hindered his play. Next season, no excuses. If he bombs hard, then you won't get any friction when you talk your shyt about him.
 

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All the people shytting on Wentz .... need to stop.:stopitslime:

We are not winning that superbowl without what he did in those first twelve games in 2017. Did y all forget? That homefield was critical to that run.

Im not worried about Wentz long term. This season was flukey, , no offseason work, no running game, him coming off injury and Pederson callin a different game when he is in versus Foles.

Dude is young and hasnt had that moment in the league when running the offense is second nature to him. Let him learn from his mistakes.

Wat I saw in 2017 with Wentz with a running game....... the mobility, play recognition and touch on the throws :banderas:.



Foles is that guy forever but Wentz has much better upside long term.




























But God help Wentz if 2019-2020 is shakey for him again:ld:. I know Philly, he may not survive it.





What did Wentz performances in the regular season have to do with what Foles did in the post season?


Foles stepped in this year and literally took a turd team and made it look like a contender again. Wentz will get hurt again , get the McNabb treatment and get traded. Foles will go to the Giants and win another ring.
 

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At least Don of Them was otherworldly for multiple years before becoming fragile and he had a legit excuse being that he had to carry trash on his back.


Wentz got handed the roster that McNabb wpuld have cut his wrist for and walked in the door injury prone. Nikka been getting hurt since 8th grade and y'all got faith in this bul?
 

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hold up playa ! it dont matter what u say bout the last game of the season . wentz got destroyed against the saints . without that alshon drop it was looking like we was goin in to win that game .at the hardest place to win on the road in the playoffs tgis year.
If Alshon completes the pass, there were still 30 yards to go. We don't know what would have happened. Foles could have scored a TD, or he could have gotten stopped, like he'd been stopped for the past two quarters.

Foles scored one more touchdown than Wentz did, and part of that had to do with his LeBlanc picking off Drew Brees to start the game. Neither Carson Wentz nor Nick Foles had good games in New Orleans. They were just a better team than we were this year.

I guarantee patriot fans wasn't saying brady was " wasting the efforts of the defense " in the Superbowl the first 3 qtrs. nobody gonna throw for 300 every game and blow every body out but when shyt on the line who put the drive together. there's a reason brady has the most game winning drives in the playoffs because every game is close like that.
It doesn’t matter what Patriots fan say, Brady was objectively bad for most of that Super Bowl. And if they'd lost, the blame would have been on him. Most of the credit for that win goes to Bill Belichick, Brian Flores, and the Patriots defense – Hightower, Van Noy, Gilmore, etc. I'm not seeing what your point here is.

I’m not saying Foles needed to off for 300 YDs. He just needed to do something in three quarters where his defense was constantly giving him opportunities. When Wentz has bad games like that, we crucify him. Why does Foles get a pass?

the start of the season the team limped into the first two foles starts . no alshon which we know how him and foles get down. online beat up. you right there's no guarantee foles wins .
Excepting no Alshon, you could say the same things for Wentz. The Eagles have been limping all season, there’s never been a point where we were close to being healthy. Wentz played with no Jay Ajayi, an inconsistent O-Line, a secondary that constantly gave up 3rd and 4th downs (remember the Titans and Panthers games?), and a coaching staff not playing to the team’s strengths (Pederson admitted, somewhere around Week 14, I think, that the offensive game-plan had to be re-adjusted). All this while coming off a major injury, missing training camp and the preseason, and having to get back in the middle of the season. Foles got all of that, and by Week 3, fans were begging for Wentz to start again. He had Ajayi and Mike Wallace to make up for not having Jeffery, along with Ertz – who, if you look at the numbers, Foles targets as much Wentz does.

Why does Foles get the excuse of having to play with an injured team, when Wentz doesn't?

And I don’t say all this to excuse Wentz and demonize Foles, by the way. Wentz absolutely has to improve. But there’s a reason Foles has been a backup most of his career. There’s a reason you didn’t see QB-needy teams beating down the door to get Foles even after his SB run, or you don’t see huge bidding wars over him now, even after he saved the Eagles twice. There’s a reason why the HC who worked with Foles, designed an offense for him to be effective in, and initially scouted him in 2012, and probably knows what Foles is capable of more than anyone else, wants to stick with Wentz. Teams know who Nick Foles is at this point. We're still figuring out Carson Wentz.

but I can guarantee one thing we was sitting ducks until Foles got in and set it off with the exact same team wentz had.
I do give Foles credit for saving the season the way he did, but you also have to look at how the rest of the team performed, too. The secondary got better, the O-Line got better, and the coaching got better. It was never just about Foles. It was the whole team.

I’ll give you this much – we don’t know exactly what we have in Wentz yet or how he’s going to ultimately turn out. He’s a third-year quarterback, not a finished product. There’s a chance his 2017 season was a fluke and he ends up being a bust. And if that happens, I’ll be the first to admit it. I’m not afraid of being wrong.

But we’ve known exactly who Nick Foles is for years now. There’s a reason people compare him with Fitzpatrick. He was able to put up 27 TDs to 2 INTs his first year in Chip Kelly’s system when no one had figured it out yet. He then become mediocre his second year. He was bad with the Rams. He’s been up-and-down with the Eagles since he came back, having both great games and bad ones. He’s inconsistent. You don’t trade away a 1st round, three-year QB for inconsistent. Wentz is still young and has the ability to get better. Foles has been in the league for seven years and is who he is at this point.
 

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What did Wentz performances in the regular season have to do with what Foles did in the post season?


Foles stepped in this year and literally took a turd team and made it look like a contender again. Wentz will get hurt again , get the McNabb treatment and get traded. Foles will go to the Giants and win another ring.

Foles is not winning shyt in NY...stop it. This narrative that Foles magically "took" the eagles anywhere is so overdone its silly. So we should ignore that the eagles offensive line was healthy when Foles came back- Lane Johnson had ankle issues that made him a turns style the beginning of the year, Kelce was hurt and they were shuffling between Wis and Malu. We should ignore that the back end of the defense played much better towards the end of the year than it did most of the season.(creating turnovers for the offense) Are there things Carson needs to do better?- yes. Foles is inconsistent which is the reason he has been a backup most of his career. His new team will see that first hand.
 

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the foles is a career back up line is played out . Jared Goff , Vince young looked like a bust too under jeff fisher . I think foles is a victim of circumstance two garbage ass coaches and some how he shined.

what if the eagles didn't waste seasons and put the team in foles hands for years instead of wasting time of sam Bradford where would we be. look at Matt Stafford straight garbage , matt Ryan , tony Romo , phillip rivers ,really even Aaron Rodgers I can go on and on you callin them franchise quarterbacks what the hell did they deliver not a damn thing are they "inconsistent" Foles run was historic in the playoffs. these " franchise QBs" haven't done it. even this year Rodgers didn't do anything, couldn't even make the playoffs . yea the defense played better you know why they believed in their QB. he was the unquestioned leader when he stepped in . the defense built a shrine to nick foles and turnt up. I'm sorry at the end of the day for THIS team foles is better . Nick foles has 1 upped wentz at every turn . mvp type season o ok he brought a super bowl. o you wanna act like u gotta come back early now u hurt again , watched nick right the ship and lead the team on another run. I think wentz can be a good qb but he just like the rest you gotta give him the franchise and hope it turns out good. he is not proven to be better than foles to just say he deserves it going forward.
 

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the foles is a career back up line is played out . Jared Goff , Vince young looked like a bust too under jeff fisher . I think foles is a victim of circumstance two garbage ass coaches and some how he shined.

what if the eagles didn't waste seasons and put the team in foles hands for years instead of wasting time of sam Bradford where would we be. look at Matt Stafford straight garbage , matt Ryan , tony Romo , phillip rivers ,really even Aaron Rodgers I can go on and on you callin them franchise quarterbacks what the hell did they deliver not a damn thing are they "inconsistent" Foles run was historic in the playoffs. these " franchise QBs" haven't done it. even this year Rodgers didn't do anything, couldn't even make the playoffs . yea the defense played better you know why they believed in their QB. he was the unquestioned leader when he stepped in . the defense built a shrine to nick foles and turnt up. I'm sorry at the end of the day for THIS team foles is better . Nick foles has 1 upped wentz at every turn . mvp type season o ok he brought a super bowl. o you wanna act like u gotta come back early now u hurt again , watched nick right the ship and lead the team on another run. I think wentz can be a good qb but he just like the rest you gotta give him the franchise and hope it turns out good. he is not proven to be better than foles to just say he deserves it going forward.

Take the Foles poster off ya wall and wake up, as easy as you can say he had 2 garbage ass coaches I can easily say he can only suceed in an RPO offense bc he only looked good under Doug and Chip.

Aint shyt played out, its called facts. If Foles was such a no brainer thorobred, why noone lined up to trade more than a 2nd rd pick for him, cmon.

Wentz would net the eagles 3 first rd picks, perception is reality
 

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I was thinking of this for the Off season thread title

"Superbowl Came And Wentz, As We Say Bye To Foles"

If ya got suggestions let me know

Cowboys fans and that Browns fan already tried to slight us using that came and wentz shyt. If it wasn't for that I'd rock with it lol. Ain't giving them nikkas the power.
 
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