Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[Apollo Creed]

KS has to go further into this statement he made to the older woman and her mama, he said "black boys were forced to be child-husbands" black boys were forced to grow up fast. I've heard that all of my life from my peers, young boys 13 being the head of the house, young daughters at 14-15 having to take care of their siblings.
Their childhood being stripped from them, Sharrzard Ali spoke about this in her book, how the mother would have the older sibling baby-sitting her siblings which stripped away her own childhood in a sense. I believe KS need to unpack this more, go a bit more deeper about this climate, which became an on-going cycle in our community growing up, Why? KS spoke on how the women made their selections with the men that they chose to have babies with, their selection of men caused this climate to be an on-going cycle within our community which is still happening today.

Boys 14-17 being the head of the house, having to get a job or "hustle" to take care of their younger sibling or hell their own mama because the mama laid down with a man that she selected or a man that she did not marry.
Who is the cause of this dynamic? Her decision is crippling the youth. Yes kids can still go astray in a 2 parent household, but how likely is it for them to go astray in a single parent household? especially a boy, with siblings.

Again, I compare this cycle to the era before 1960s when this was rarely the case with kids and the black household, kids rarely had to take care of their younger siblings, families were structured, did kids have to work when they became a certain age, young boys, yes, maybe do some share cropping, farming, etc but that was for a different reason, not to so call survive or be a parent to their siblings. I don't recall my grandfather saying that he was a 'parent' to his younger siblings at the age of 14, I don't recall my grand parents saying that they had to go 'hustle' or be a parent to their younger siblings to keep food on the table etc. They worked to help out the family, mom & dad or to get ready to establish their own

The dynamics are night and day Before 1960s and After in my opinion Children being parents to their younger siblings after 1960s vs The Children before 1960s

I ask the question, by choosing welfare, without the man being in the house, how big of a part that it play on the children?

When did the term "key baby" start? Where the kids at school would have the house key around their necks. Was it around the 1960s?

he said he was going to do a Gen X mens show so those men can tell their stories.

Dennis Spurling had that 'big mama cant do wrong' thing. Alot of Black Men really aint tryna have the convo that needs to be had because they feel guilty (you a crack fiend mama but you still a black queen mama lmfao). We didnt ask to be born, many men were abused by the individuals they protecting. Daddy wasn't there so its easy to sh*t on him lol (the narrative is Daddy left, but in reality for many cases daddy never existed, nor knows he had kids often times, and was in another city actually married to the woman he loved, while your mother was just a jump off).

 

[saturn7]

When did the term "key baby" start? Where the kids at school would have the house key around their necks. Was it around the 1960s?

I remember hearing "latch key kids" in the 80's so this probably started in the mid seventies as more households had both parents working.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

on a "lighter" note.

BLACK MEN ARE THE MOST BODY POSITIVE! Agree or disagree?

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx85S6bFtc4DxuHXMx-8G4MG-Gga7Vg14F

I agree.

As someone stated in the comments, the problem starts when the person starts to get out of line with their standards and wants.

You are making 28k a year but you need to drive a Bentley as your main car.

You're 5'3, 235, but need a Marcus (Boomerang character) in your life

That's what's in our community.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Very True.

I will look at the other report. Honestly this needs to be talked again, just because the cycle is still happening.

If welfare assistance was to go away, will our women marry the men that they have babies for? I remember a chick, many, bragging about being on assistance smh. The shyt is so deep and it is killing our community and all we have to do is marry before you carry or just marry the man that you had a baby with.

ask yourself, why get married and have to be held accountable when you can just take the seed, get CS + Govt Assistance + your money from work and you answer to no one. There are over 30 forms of birth control, women having these kids because they want to.

Imo Men should have the ability to opt out of parental responsibility on their own accord, the same way women opt in to carrying children without input from the father.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I remember hearing "latch key kids" in the 80's so this probably started in the mid seventies as more households had both parents working.

yeah latch key. Pretty much once kids hit bout 1st grade or what ever age they can walk from the bus stop home solo them kids raised themselves. This is why you have so many weirdos because kids were raised by TV and the internet, the parents just paid the bills (and didnt raise them).

Folks aint trying to have these convos

 

[saturn7]

Who is BGS Ibmor? Is there a YT clip of someone black maybe breaking it down on a 5th grade level

He did a 9 part breakdown of this report.





From Moynihan himself

 

[NO-BadAzz]

he said he was going to do a Gen X mens show so those men can tell their stories.

Dennis Spurling had that 'big mama cant do wrong' thing. Alot of Black Men really aint tryna have the convo that needs to be had because they feel guilty (you a crack fiend mama but you still a black queen mama lmfao). We didnt ask to be born, many men were abused by the individuals they protecting. Daddy wasn't there so its easy to sh*t on him lol (the narrative is Daddy left, but in reality for many cases daddy never existed, nor knows he had kids often times, and was in another city actually married to the woman he loved, while your mother was just a jump off).

I really hope he does a good job screening these men, some men have a hard time articulating themselves, rambling ass nikkas mane, as seen by the last men show, shyt was brutal but he spoke on this on a few shows ago, maybe last month, to your point, where the mama gave the dad hell, and the dad just chose to stay away because of the dealings with the mama, and the mama, not all, spoke negatively towards the dad, which planted that seed into their child's psyche. Are there some bad dads, yes, but again, I go back to what I say and what KS say, "You picked him" so you live with that outcome, pick better men to make babies with. Marry before you carry.

He had a young lady on the show and he asked her about her dad, she didn't really have anything bad to say about her dad per say, but you can sense that she had been given some bad energy about her dad and KS asked her, well did you ever talk to your dad to get his side of the story, and she said NO, and KS explained to her that, that's what you need to go and do, get his side of the story and understand the situation about why he chose his route. It's ok to get his side of the story. We are so use to throwing the dad under the bus when in some instances, it's not always daddy fault. Dads also have to be truthful too, it ok to answer the questions with honesty if need be. I know we like to coddle the situation, but peel the band-aid off and be truthful about the situation, it'll help the child understand life and it'll hold people accountable for their actions. Hopefully the child is of age, I would rather the child be in their 20s for a convo to be had like this.

That was a good exchange with KS and that young lady caller for her to know that, we as a community are quick to shyt on dads, never get his side of the story, and we never put the pressure on the mama to have her tell the honest truth, Ask her the hard questions. That shyt has to stop man.
We get on white folks and how their children behave, but I will say this about their children, They will be quick to call out their mama on their bullshyt. Other races too, Latinos, their children are quick to call out their mama if they detect bull shyt from them.

We are the only race that approach or mamas with soft gloves, shyt has to stop, mama's fukk up too and they need to be called out if one wants to know the truth, ask her the hard questions, we will ask the dad the hard, direct questions with no problem.

I can't wait for the show, I really hope he tackles that subject.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I really hope he does a good job screening these men, some men have a hard time articulating themselves, rambling ass nikkas mane, as seen by the last men show, shyt was brutal but he spoke on this on a few shows ago, maybe last month, to your point, where the mama gave the dad hell, and the dad just chose to stay away because of the dealings with the mama, and the mama, not all, spoke negatively towards the dad, which planted that seed into their child's psyche. Are there some bad dads, yes, but again, I go back to what I say and what KS say, "You picked him" so you live with that outcome, pick better men to make babies with. Marry before you carry.

He had a young lady on the show and he asked her about her dad, she didn't really have anything bad to say about her dad per say, but you can sense that she had been given some bad energy about her dad and KS asked her, well did you ever talk to your dad to get his side of the story, and she said NO, and KS explained to her that, that's what you need to go and do, get his side of the story and understand the situation about why he chose his route. It's ok to get his side of the story. We are so use to throwing the dad under the bus when in some instances, it's not always daddy fault. Dads also have to be truthful too, it ok to answer the questions with honesty if need be. I know we like to coddle the situation, but peel the band-aid off and be truthful about the situation, it'll help the child understand life and it'll hold people accountable for their actions. Hopefully the child is of age, I would rather the child be in their 20s for a convo to be had like this.

That was a good exchange with KS and that young lady caller for her to know that, we as a community are quick to shyt on dads, never get his side of the story, and we never put the pressure on the mama to have her tell the honest truth, Ask her the hard questions. That shyt has to stop man.
We get on white folks and how their children behave, but I will say this about their children, They will be quick to call out their mama on their bullshyt. Other races too, Latinos, their children are quick to call out their mama if they detect bull shyt from them.

We are the only race that approach or mamas with soft gloves, shyt has to stop, mama's fukk up too and they need to be called out if one wants to know the truth, ask her the hard questions, we will ask the dad the hard, direct questions with no problem.

I can't wait for the show, I really hope he tackles that subject.

the thing is the men who have things together tend to not call into stuff like this. KS would be better off inviting BGS and Dr.T Hasan Johnson and just having a round table, and then inviting female callers.

 

[KillerB88]

The dude pretty much bit the work of E Franklin Fraizier. You will be hard pressed to find a black woman that won't bash the report because it puts the spotlight on them lol (just look at the response you get, yet women have no problem using white stats to bash black men).

All I gotta say is look at the report, and then look at Modern Black society in America.

There isn't even anything to debate.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

ask yourself, why get married and have to be held accountable when you can just take the seed, get CS + Govt Assistance + your money from work and you answer to no one. There are over 30 forms of birth control, women having these kids because they want to.

Imo Men should have the ability to opt out of parental responsibility on their own accord, the same way women opt in to carrying children without input from the father.

It's a tough deal to pass up. What could the dad do if she takes the deal? Can a dad really be instrumental in a child's life if a woman takes this deal?

After 7, a child, boys needs to be attached to his dad

 

[Apollo Creed]

It's a tough deal to pass up. What could the dad do if she takes the deal? Can a dad really be instrumental in a child's life if a woman takes this deal?

After 7, a child, boys needs to be attached to his dad

to say is a tough deal to pass up = you dont care about kids and legacy lol. Thats even more demonic to feel your children have a price to sell them for. Funny enough 'Mothers' are some of the biggest human traffickers on the planet (yet dusty pimps get the stigma) but thats a convo for another day.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

@Kiyoshi-Dono you looking to summon your nemesis with all these postings breh. Tryna get into a dissertation battle.

Whose my nemesis loved one
All my alerts are off, I only come by my name while reading
And if people are mad at me or think I’m a fukk nikka
So be it
Done told y’all
Not feeding or fukking you
So your opinion of me means nothing
And your feelings damn sure don’t mean jack shyt

 

[NO-BadAzz]

the thing is the men who have things together tend to not call into stuff like this. KS would be better off inviting BGS and Dr.T Hasan Johnson and just having a round table, and then inviting female callers.

Man, I would hope someday that Ricky Smiley looking motherfukker invite Sharzzard Ali onto the show. Her interview that she did with that woman interviewee that he was talking about on one of his previous shows was pure gold.

Yea, it's a process that he will have to do for the men show, the shyt can go left and be a waist if not done correctly. I'd would even hope that he can bring the men on along with their child so it won't be looked at as if the man is lying or some shyt

Have them all on the screen if they agreed to it, or have the child in the comments or something.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

to say is a tough deal to pass up = you dont care about kids and legacy lol. Thats even more demonic to feel your children have a price to sell them for. Funny enough 'Mothers' are some of the biggest human traffickers on the planet (yet dusty pimps get the stigma) but thats a convo for another day.

Breh the whole "fukk them kids" or "I aint fukking with them kids today" statement is now being said and posted by single mothers on a regular.

These "modern day" mothers are something

 

[Apollo Creed]

Man, I would hope someday that Ricky Smiley looking motherfukker invite Sharzzard Ali onto the show. Her interview that she did with that woman interviewee that he was talking about on one of his previous shows was pure gold.

Yea, it's a process that he will have to do for the men show, the shyt can go left and be a waist if not done correctly. I'd would even hope that he can bring the men on along with their child so it won't be looked at as if the man is lying or some shyt

Have them all on the screen if they agreed to it, or have the child in the comments or something.

I've noticed alot of folks once they find their fathers, and he explains his part of the story grow super close especially because they had to live with the mother and know the BS she be on. That one dude who played in the Superfly remake went viral about finding his dad, and how his mom lied to him for years about the dad being a no show, etc etc, while the dad had years worth of receipts, and letters that got returned to him. The abuse these boys go through creates the monsters women like to use 'white peoples stats' to bash all black men.