Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[Nigerianwonder]

The bolded are some requirements to be middle class.

For context from my perspective there's broke, working class, middle class, upper middle class and rich.

Calling 60k broke when the majority live fine on it without extras is reaching is all, especially saying you need 100k to raise a family. The working class are the majority of families.

Within the context of this conversation.. If you can't have take care of a wife and raise family in a middle class lifestyle are you really that desirable?

Average people making 40k and slightly above average making 60k live in the same neighborhoods, drive the same cars and pretty much live the same lifestyles. A lot of yall dudes have an inflated sense of self worth just like the women.

And this is what I believe folks are getting at. Raising a family on 60k is working class. Nothing wrong with that but please stop using KS HVM talking points and criteria for selecting women if you are in that category. When we say a woman's career and money don't matter that only applies to HVM. I see a lot of 50 and 60k men repeating this like it applies to them. If you NEED a woman to work so you can achieve a basic middle class family lifestyle then her earnings and career is extremely important. It's not the only thing and women should not lead with it like men do however, if a woman is working just as hard as you, then you gonna have to compromise on some of these traditional women ideals since you are not a traditional middle class provider man.

A chubby woman, one that cant cook, career woman, an adjustable 4, 5 or 6, or even a woman with a kid making 60k can level up a breh making 60k into middle class family life by combining income. So all we are saying is you cannot overlook these women the same way a HVM can. If a woman can change your lifestyle you are not better than her or above dealing with her.

 

[Red11]

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Monet Bell drives me crazy…she is too picky.

 

[Red11]

Within the context of this conversation.. If you can't have take care of a wife and raise family in a middle class lifestyle are you really that desirable?

Average people making 40k and slightly above average making 60k live in the same neighborhoods, drive the same cars and pretty much live the same lifestyles. A lot of yall dudes have an inflated sense of self worth just like the women.

And this is what I believe folks are getting at. Raising a family on 60k is working class. Nothing wrong with that but please stop using KS HVM talking points and criteria for selecting women if you are in that category. When we say a woman's career and money don't matter that only applies to HVM. I see a lot of 50 and 60k men repeating this like it applies to them. If you NEED a woman to work so you can achieve a basic middle class family lifestyle then her earnings and career is extremely important. It's not the only thing and women should not lead with it like men do however, if a woman is working just as hard as you, then you gonna have to compromise on some of these traditional women ideals since you are not a traditional middle class provider man.

A chubby woman, one that cant cook, career woman, an adjustable 4, 5 or 6, or even a woman with a kid making 60k can level up a breh making 60k into middle class family life by combining income. So all we are saying is you cannot overlook these women the same way a HVM can. If a woman can change your lifestyle you are not better than her or above dealing with her.

I think the whole “I don’t want to work after kids” will come back to make them “unhappy “ in the future. Even people at 80k are gonna have both parents working. It’s just good to ask those questions early on if you ain’t at >100k.

 

[ultraflexed]

Within the context of this conversation.. If you can't have take care of a wife and raise family in a middle class lifestyle are you really that desirable?

Average people making 40k and slightly above average making 60k live in the same neighborhoods, drive the same cars and pretty much live the same lifestyles. A lot of yall dudes have an inflated sense of self worth just like the women.

And this is what I believe folks are getting at. Raising a family on 60k is working class. Nothing wrong with that but please stop using KS HVM talking points and criteria for selecting women if you are in that category. When we say a woman's career and money don't matter that only applies to HVM. I see a lot of 50 and 60k men repeating this like it applies to them. If you NEED a woman to work so you can achieve a basic middle class family lifestyle then her earnings and career is extremely important. It's not the only thing and women should not lead with it like men do however, if a woman is working just as hard as you, then you gonna have to compromise on some of these traditional women ideals since you are not a traditional middle class provider man.

A chubby woman, one that cant cook, career woman, an adjustable 4, 5 or 6, or even a woman with a kid making 60k can level up a breh making 60k into middle class family life by combining income. So all we are saying is you cannot overlook these women the same way a HVM can. If a woman can change your lifestyle you are not better than her or above dealing with her.

I tried to them breh, but you hit the nail on the head

 

[Nigerianwonder]

I think the whole “I don’t want to work after kids” will come back to make them “unhappy “ in the future. Even people at 80k are gonna have both parents working. It’s just good to ask those questions early on if you ain’t at >100k.

I agree. But what is realistic and what is desirable are 2 different things. Most women want to taken care of. Most dont want to work at all even before having kids. Working class life will never and has never been DESIRABLE for any woman. But the reality is this is not the 1950's anymore.

Whats worked back then doesn't work today. Back then the average earning man could take care of the house and family on one income and live middle class. Women were not even allowed to work most jobs anyway. Wages have not kept up with inflation so now the average 40k income and even above average 60k income isn't even enough for a basic middle class family life. 40k to 60k gets you a working class family life. That means heavy budgeting, public schools, very little savings or safety net, and maybe 1 cheap family vacation a year etc. That's realistic but if that's the lifestyle your income offers a women then your 60k doesn't make you that much more desirable than an average earning 40k breh. Duel incomes are still needed to survive in the middle class until you start getting well into the top 8 percent of wage earners.

 

[Leao2005]

Winters coming

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8fMqxWJ/

 

[Red11]

I agree. But what is realistic and what is desirable are 2 different things. Most women want to taken care of. Most dont want to work at all even before having kids. Working class life will never and has never been DESIRABLE for any woman. But the reality is this is not the 1950's anymore.

Whats worked back then doesn't work today. Back then the average earning man could take care of the house and family on one income and live middle class. Women were not even allowed to work most jobs anyway. Wages have not kept up with inflation so now the average 40k income and even above average 60k income isn't even enough for a basic middle class family life. 40k to 60k gets you a working class family life. That means heavy budgeting, public schools, very little savings or safety net, and maybe 1 cheap family vacation a year etc. That's realistic and but if that's the lifestyle your income offers a women then your 60k doesn't make you that much more desirable than an average earning 40k breh. Duel incomes are still needed to survive in the middle class until you start getting well into the top 8 percent of wage earners.

150k and up bruhs…”more monkey puzzy for me!” In my Chapelle voice

 

[Brolic]

I think the whole “I don’t want to work after kids” will come back to make them “unhappy “ in the future. Even people at 80k are gonna have both parents working. It’s just good to ask those questions early on if you ain’t at >100k.

Most white women work after they have kids. I don’t get why younger black women think they’ll be stay at home wives. This isn’t 1950.

 

[Houston911]

I think he’s saying $60k is broke if you have a wife and multiple kids to take care of, in that case I agree.

A single man with no kids making $60k is doing real good for himself, even better depending of which region he stays in.

A charismatic black man making $60k will not have a shortage of women.

oh yeah. 60k with kids and a woman that doesn’t work is broke

Your last sentence is gonna hurt a lot of feelings

 

[goatmane]

Where do yall live... yall keep mentioning public schools like it's a bad thing

 

[ultraflexed]

oh yeah. 60k with kids and a woman that doesn’t work is broke

Your last sentence is gonna hurt a lot of feelings

I said that a few pages ago

If your: handsome gang, tall gang, in-shape gange, or a good combo of 2 of them or all three you can be a 60k breh pull 8-9's

But if just you average...

 

[Easy-E]

What Percent Are You?

Put black and then put 60k and tell me whats the number.

Yeah, im not going back and forth with nikkas no more. yall got it.

A Black Male making $60k is a 15%r

Goddamn #rep on the link too

Great tool...I'd get in my ADOS/Funky Academic bag elsewhere

But, nikkas have a fukk idea of what "money" is among Black people in America.

GoalPost Relocation services.

nobody in this thread said $60k is HVM status, either

 

[ultraflexed]

A Black Male making $60k is a 15%r

Compared to other black men that's not saying much.

Fucc that, I'm competing against everyone, every man from every race, I dont want to be in the top 10% vs. Black men, I wanna be in top 10% against ALL MEN.

I know niccaz wanna isolate so they can stick there chest out...I mean I guess



I'd rather compete and beat everyone while stil being a black man..

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Watching this woman talking about wanting a 500k home in Bowie Maryland or his IG



I can't believe this shyt man



Breh, we are doomed out here, she really was pressing the issue. I can't even begin explaining what I just watched.



He let it roll and sad to say, it needed to be played out. Chick said she was educated and was articulating her viewpoints on 2nd grade level. I didn't understand it.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Compared to other black men that's not saying much.

Fucc that, I'm competing against everyone, every man from every race, I dont want to be in the top 10% vs. Black men, I wanna be in top 10% against ALL MEN.

I know niccaz wanna isolate so they can stick there chest out...I mean I guess



I'd rather compete and beat everyone while stil being a black man..

But you are married so it wouldn’t mean much to you. When you are dating it means more.

I get it you should want to be top against everyone but this puts things in a different prospective in dating and mating in the black community.