Kenyon Martin says lebron was never considered a lockdown defender at any point of his career

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Duncan almost had a quadruple double in the close game of the '03 Finals, KMart needs to sit down and remember he was the #1 pick in the worst draft class :hhh:
 

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lebron was better than kawhi 2 season ago on defense but it went unnoticed


The usual field goal percent of the shooter that the player is defending
LeBron - 44.8%
Kawhi - 44.9%

Defense Dashboard

2pt FGs - Players shot 8.2% worse than their average when defended by LeBron
2pt FGs - Players shot 7.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi
3pt FGs - Players shots 2.7% worse than their average when defended by LeBron
3pt FGs - Players shot 1.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi
Overall - Players shot 7.4% worse than their average when defended by LeBron on 8.4 Defended FGs Per Game
Overall - Players shot 5.7% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi on 9.4 Defended FGs Per Game

Play type

When they were the closest isolation defender
LeBron - 69 possessions, .59 points per possession allowed, 28.8% eFG
Kawhi - 61 possessions, .69 points per possession allowed, 31% eFG

When they were the closest defender to the PnR ball handler
LeBron - 144 possessions, .66 ppp allowed, 37.1 eFG
Kawhi - 243 possessions, .65 ppp allowed, 35.8 eFG

When they were the roll man defender
LeBron - 10 possessions, .7 ppp, 38.9 eFG
Kawhi - 30 possessions, .5 ppp, 27.8 eFG

Post defense
LeBron - 43 possessions, .77 ppp, 40 eFG
Kawhi - 31 possessions, .77 ppp, 41.7 eFG

On spot up shooters
LeBron - 210 possessions, .8 ppp, 41.6 eFG
Kawhi - 200 possessions, .88 ppp, 43.6 eFG

Hand-offs
LeBron - 43 possessions, .49 ppp, 33.9 eFG
Leonard - 58 possessions, .72 ppp, 39.5 eFG

Off screens
LeBron - 78 possessions, .74 ppp, 40.8 eFG
Kawhi - 96 possessions, 1.05 ppp, 51.2 eFG


Undeniable PROOF LeBron is the best defender in the NBA... GOAT Level Defense - Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops



2016 playoffs


LeBron 2016 Playoffs (21 games)

3.2/10.2 Defensive FGs defended

Overall, held opponents to 31.8% FG (Their average FG% was 45.9%

This is a differential of -14.1% (He held opponents to -14.8% their average FG%), which is by far the best mark... For comparison, Draymond was next best at -8.4%

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...?sort=GP&dir=1

To break it down even further to perimeter defense and Rim protection..

3PT DEFENSE

LeBron was the Cavs best 3pt defender, and along with Livingtson and context taken into account, the best 3pt defenders

0.9/3.8 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponent 3pt shooters to 24.1% (Their average 3PT% was 36.7%)

This is a differential of -12.6%

Only one guy who played 15+ playoff games (Shawn Livingston) had a slightly better differential (Abet on lower volume)

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...USMINUS&dir=-1

RIM PROTECTION

1.4/3.3 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponents at the rim to 43.5%

The best rim protection % on the Cavs

For reference Bogut held opponents to 46.6%, and Tristan Thompson 49.2%

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...&sort=GP&dir=1


Finals Averages...
2.3 Blocks a game
2.6 Steals a game

2016 Playoff Averages
2.3 Steals a game
1.3 Blocks a game

In the last 3 games, LeBron averaged 3 blocks and 3 steals per game

LBJ my dude but they dont defend the same players.. Kawhi is sent at the best whole game... LBJ is sent at the best only in crunch time... but the miami days.. he was a beast on defense.

in the 2014 finals... he shutdown Kawhi, and parker was about to win MVP.. than they needed help with parker... he shutdown parker...and kawhi won the MVP...

was crazy
 

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The difference between me and you is I actually watched pippen play. You didn't cuz you're saying stupid shyt like this

Now answer the question. Name some perimeter players "the greatest perimeter defender ever" locked down.You still haven't answered

Pippen did not guard the other teams best player all the time either,Jordan guarded drexler in the '92 finals. You're just regurgitating what the media told you like a sheep

I did watch Pippen play. I was young but I watched him to know what he was capable of. The majority of the time Pippen was guarding the best player. This quoting is over cause you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You're the only dikkhead in this thread saying Pippen wasn't a lockdown defender. Im good
 

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I did watch Pippen play. I was young but I watched him to know what he was capable of. The majority of the time Pippen was guarding the best player. This quoting is over cause you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You're the only dikkhead in this thread saying Pippen wasn't a lockdown defender. Im good

Still haven't answered the question just a bunch of

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that's what I thought you couldn't name one example cuz YOU don't know what you're talkin about.
 

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He was a good one on one defender but he was an all time off ball defender. I remember Jason Terry Lighting Bron up. I remember Turkolou lighting Bron up. PG lights Bron up. He was good at checking Rose but Pierce lit him up religious. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good on ball defender maybe even great, but lock down hell no.

Off ball he was incredible to watch in his prime.
 

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amazing off the ball. slightly overrated on ball defender (doesn't mean he never played good on ball, it's just overstated)

 

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I've never heard a competent person that knows basketball say Pippen wasn't a lockdown defender. The fact that you even said this is appalling. Who guarded the best players on opposing teams when the Bulls won their 6 championships? You think Pippen averged almost 3 steals per game by just getting deflections and not on ball defense? He could guard 1-4 easily


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Anyone with eyes knows this.

Can't wait for someone to show LeBron on D-Rose as evidence though :heh:

Even that's not really evidence

I remember the 2010 Cleveland-Chicago playoff series and D-Rose was making LeBron look stupid out there

He couldn't guard D-Rose by himself

The 2011 Miami-Chicago playoff series went differently because it was D-Rose against Wade and LeBron
 
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