Kendrick is the biggest plant we've ever seen (a big leafy summabytch)

[SirBiatch]

I just linked a video. Listen to the song, it explains what a "plant" is.

gotcha breh. Good post. Did you see my explanation?

Dre heard ignorance is bliss and wanted to sign him, that was after overly dedicated came out. OD was pretty popular.

I never heard of Kendrick till HiiPower. And I'm on the blogs 24/7. You got all these cats now talking about: 'yo I was into Kendrick since before C4. He been had the streets on lock" to justify the cosign.

I find that hard to believe. Sounds like wagon shyt. Nipsey's name was ringing far more bells at the time OD came out. At least to me. I could be wrong. And by all means, school me.

 

[okocharuud]

ANOTHER KENDRICK HATE THREAD

 

[NotaPAWG]

Most rappers are plants these days.

 

[SirBiatch]

purple swag was spammed all over the internet

how did anyone find it?

i've been on him since before livelovea$ap

kendrick had been rapping for years before section.80

i knew he was the truth long before hiipower dropped, u think dre and game never heard of him

if ANYONE is a plant, its rocky

that being said stfu

I got nikkas in they feelings!! Can't even stay with one coherent thought.

I made a specific challenge which you haven't answered by the way:

Show me a video with Jay-Z/Puffy etc coming out to support ASAP Rocky before Purple Swag and LiveLoveASAP. Then I'll shut the fukk up.

 

[stealthbomber]

I got nikkas in they feelings!! Can't even stay with one coherent thought.

I made a specific challenge which you haven't answered by the way:

this aint no fukking game show nikka

take your L and keep it moving or YOU show me a video of dre cosigning kendrick before kendrick lamar ep

rocky is the one who blew up overnight, k dot has the receipts for his status in the game

 

[SuburbanPimp]

Well if he is we need more plants because he makes better music than most these other cats in the game....

Nobody cares if ASAP Rocky is a plant, he can't even get a release date to drop his album nobody except for you even talks about him on here

All this Kendrick hatred can't be good for your soul bruh... You looking on blogs and old ass youtube videos doing research on a artist you claim you don't like

Where they do that at?

 

[Paper Boi]

i was hearing kendrick on jay rock/ab soul records in like 2009. i thought he was the weak link back then too. he isn't a plant. he might be fake deep though.

 

[bouncy]

"Show me a video with Jay-Z/Puffy etc coming out to support ASAP Rocky before Purple Swag and LiveLoveASAP. Then I'll shut the fukk up."

@SirBiatch Asap didn't need a cosign, he had a $3 million dollar deal! I feel bad for Rocky because he is going to be a slave to his label, and ultimately be kicked to the curb. Hopefully he can reinvent himself, and find a loophole in his contract that allows him to do music without his label being on his ass. That's probably why his new shyt is taking so long, his label is making him put out some soft shyt to try to recoup the money they put into him. The second album is when they come with some bullshyt if you didn't recoup on the first album or at least came close.

If Rocky took a more smaller deal, he would probably be bigger then he is now. He would be able to make profit over the years since his last release, and that allows a bigger budget for the second album, and that brings in more fans. He hit people too much, and too fast for his first release. To build a cult following you have to pay your dues, and that's what people who are not really into the arts dont understand, the suffering of working hard to gain fans is what gives you power, and a career once you get in the game officially.

Why do you think Nas still is around, and getting paid, all these years later? His core fans stayed with him, while the fans who liked him for the don shyt, and the beef shyt,left. He built a following over the YEARS, not just hot for the moment love, and no real following. This is what all the artists who want to be famous don't understand. You gotta pay dues.

 

[SirBiatch]

it was about someone being a real hip hop head meaning did they come up in the ranks with other people who also love making music.

Well... I was implying that but yes, you've made it clearer. You're absolutely right. That's why I say your definition of a plant is accurate, but dated given today's problems.

The reality is that the ranks of people who run hip hop now don't love making music. They're and in it to maintain a lifestyle.

That's why I don't trust them when they cosign stuff. You can tell it's not coming from anywhere authentic. They're not out in the street going to shows and meeting new talent/everyday people and keeping their ear to the ground. When was the last time you saw Dre at a series of local hip hop shows? Just to see what's up. But all of a sudden he's a fan of Kendrick and believes so strongly in him? How does that work exactly?

Cosigns are meaningless now. It's "hey, we know label politics and buyer demographics. I know a guy who fits the mold. I'll just cosign him and give him a push, then pretend like it's organic."

Whereas back then, you could tell the previous "schools" put people on because they genuinely loved what the new guy was bringing to the table. They were out there shaking hands on the street and meeting people. Things weren't so commodified.

I'm saying: things have changed. Cosigns are the new plants.

By definition Asap Rocky could be considered a plant because he just put out one to two mixtapes, and got hot, then signed a $2 million dollar deal. Do you know how rare that is?

SUPER RARE. and that's exactly what I loved about it.

It's like you're drowning in a clusterfukk of mediocrity and clutter... and then.... an angel's voice.

Because that's what the game needs. We're too cluttered with mediocre acts who are fighting to be just 'good enough' for an out-of-touch legend/record exec to cosign them.

I get exactly what you're saying. And frankly, I appreciate you mentioning it. I now see why someone would consider Rocky a plant, and I kind of agree. The problem with a lot of cats on the Coli is that they get in their feelings and never debate things.

At the end of the day, we're arguing about what is more authentic. To me, it's more authentic for someone to make out-of-this-world unique shyt like "Purple Swag", fukk around on Tumblr and get the internet genuinely curious THAN someone making typical, same-ol 'respectable' cookie-cutter stuff and get put on.

 

[Doomsday]

I was aware of Kendrick Lamar since "She Needs Me".

Lamar is not a plant. He didn't just come out of nowhere signed to Interscope. TDE was under the Strange Umbrella and off the strength of Jay Rock with "All My Life" and "Lift Me Up", they were able to segue that into interest from Interscope; which resulted in a label deal.

The whole plant thing is just a know-it-all- type of person who can't admit that he doesn't know it all.

 

[SirBiatch]

@lotty Your last post is irrelevant, respectfully. Now you're analyzing his deal and such. Rocky still has a strong fanbase. 4 years later. If he was just some random cookie-cutter cat one snatched off the street, we wouldn't be anticipating his album in 2015. Let's be honest. Fact of the matter is that Rocky is one of a kind. People like that.... you don't need years of dues/grinding. All you need is to have your shyt together. How many years did Nas grind before he got on? He was one of a kind. It was obvious.

@biscuitsnbangers True. The difference is that cats like Kendrick get love primarily for their 'organics' and what their existence means to the game, rather than the actual quality of the music they put.

The circumstances of how someone gets on are near irrelevant to me. What really matters is the quality of the music on its own merit. Not who's cosigning you, whether you've paid your dues, whether you're 'positive' or 'negative'... none of that. It's creativity, harmony and resonance.

 

[fukkyalifestyle]

receipts? Just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true.

Like I said, if you can prove it or present reasonable evidence, I'll shut the fukk up.

Iv'e seen you write paragraphs for asap, im not bout that life aruging with a no body on the internet. if you know anything about music business rocky is no different. If I showed u proof u wouldnt believe it ur a stan.

 

[SirBiatch]

Iv'e seen you write paragraphs for asap, im not bout that life aruging with a no body on the internet. if you know anything about music business rocky is no different. If I showed u proof u wouldnt believe it ur a stan.

You don't have any proof, don't kid yourself. If you did, you would present it. No need for preamble.

@lotty gave proof and I applauded him for it. He made me reconsider my point. What do you have to offer?

 

[ArmchairCritic]

Dre gave Kendrick the cosign around the same time Kush came out or whatever. Kendrick flipped this interview he did with the cosign on that Look Out For Detox track he did, then they locked into the studio shortly after this was like what late 2010/early 2011. There were loads of studio pics and what not, Kendrick still dropped Section.80 independently in 2011, which was iTunes only and only sold like 4k first week IIRC. A Dr.Dre cosign and album deal literally means jack shyt, shout out to Raekwon, Joell Ortiz, Rakim, Jon Connor, Hittmann etc etc.

Kendrick benefitted more from the J.Cole and Drake cosigns (Club Paradise Tour, Drake feature etc.) then he actually benefitted from Dre and Interscope or whoever. Honestly with Dre's track record with MC's I actually have a hard time believing Kendrick is a plant.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

Its not really being an industry plant because Kendrick was doing his thing with Jay Rock, and building his rep for being nice, before 2011. A plant to me is nikkas who don't have any props in the streets, and get signed off of knowing someone. They didn't prove their ranking over the years, and pay dues. Its nothing new, rappers been talking about these nikkas.


Kendrick ain't no industry plant. The label just did that because that was the era of being independent was cool since a lot of people were hating major labels because of 360 deals. It was just going along with the tide, and making sure the money keeps coming in. They do this all the time, look at each era, and you will see this.

Thats not a plant. Thats putting your people on.

The dudes they were talking about were cats with no legit props/respect from the rap community that labels pushed out to make superstars by doing commercial trash.

Kendricks a plant, interscope paid for section 80 to be made, the marketing, the dr.dre cosign to make him legit in hip hops eyes he was literally "planted" and manufactured to be a "grassroots" movement. Told you guys three years ago.