Just saw looper

[Rapmastermind]

It was dope how:

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The Director showed the rainmaker future, meaning Old Joe would of never killed him in any scenario or timeline. In all the possible timelines he kills his mother which ends up turning the kid into the rainmaker. As long as Old Joe is in the past, the rainmaker lives in the future cause that was the reason he came back. Old Joe was in a losing battle no matter what he did.

Here's a few possible timelines:

*Young Joe kills Old Joe before he kills the Kid but somehow the Kid still grows up to become the rainmaker.
*Kid kills his mother and Old Joe with his powers, grows up to become the rainmaker anyway.

Again it really was a loop once Old Joe decided to come back and change the future, there was no possible way for him to stop the Kid from becoming the Rainmaker. Only Young Joe had the power to change the future cause he was in the present and hadn't lived the future yet.

 

[mastermind]

It was dope how:

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The Director showed the rainmaker future, meaning Old Joe would of never killed him in any scenario or timeline. In all the possible timelines he kills his mother which ends up turning him into the rainmaker. As long as Old Joe is in the past, the rainmaker lives in the future cause that was the reason he came back. Old Joe was in a losing battle no matter what he did.

Here's a few possible timelines:

*Young Joe kills Old Joe before he kills the Kid but somehow the Kid still grows up to become the rainmaker.
*Kid kills his mother and Old Joe with his powers, grows up to become the rainmaker anyway.

Again it really was a loop once Old Joe decided to come back and change the future, there was no possible way for him to stop the Kid from becoming the Rainmaker.

you are right, there was nothing he could do to get his life back

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he could have tried, but Sid would always kill Old Joe

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

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I can see why you feel it was a paradox but hear me out. Old Joe saw her at her house and remembered the prostitute through his younger memories, that's why he hesitated to kill her son cause he remembered he use to f*ck her. Yes the prostitute and girl on the farm has similar tones as far as how they react to Joe but I believe they were different people. As far as her getting horny, she's raising her son on that house in the field. Obviously cause of her son's power she wasn't able to bring a man around the house. She was probably just horny, it was a moment of loneliness. The prostitute didn't even really like Young Joe, it was just a job for her and money for her son. I agree that there were several of possible loops. My point was movie just focused on 2 timelines. Let's say that when Bruce decides to go on his Rainmaker mission that's Timeline 800. Meaning the loop could of went 799 times before Young Joe decided to change it 30 years later. That's why the Director made it a point to show Old Joe getting away and Young Joe killing Old Joe and growing up in China to let us know what the normal loop was and the alternate loop was. It's simular to the film "Deja Vu" with Denzel. He went back so many times until he changed the events.

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okay, so basically the strippers kid was just one possible kid that could have become something demonic because it wasn't being "raised right" but didn't the stripper have a daughter when bruce went to kill her kid?

even tho I'm sure my theory is wrong, this is why I love scifi movies.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

My only question now is:

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what was going to turn the child in JGL's timeline into the Rain Maker? His mom was raising him on the farm giving him tons of love before Joe and Old Joe came into their lives to fukk shyt up but in old joe's universe something went wrong

 

[Rapmastermind]

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okay, so basically the strippers kid was just one possible kid that could have become something demonic because it wasn't being "raised right" but didn't the stripper have a daughter when bruce went to kill her kid?

even tho I'm sure my theory is wrong, this is why I love scifi movies.

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I thought it was 3 boys that was born in the hospital that day. Maybe the kid had long hair. 3 possible rainmakers? Interesting theory but the story makes a point that the kid was the rainmaker once Old Joe saw Young Joe's memories. Plus when Old Joe kills the 1st kid, nothing happens to him, he didn't disappear so that proves that there was really only 1 Rainmaker Kid but all they had was the date and hospital. I just think the Stripper character was there to show Young Joe really wasn't some heartless killer, that he actually did care about people once he offered her half of his money to get out of town and raise her kid. The movie really was about redemption of Young Joe because with Old Joe he was able to see his future didn't turn out to great. His self sacrifice was him realizing his life wasn't going to go anywhere and that the Kid's life and his future Wife's life was more important. He also saw himself in the Kid people have to remember. Young Joe was a murderer, he wasn't a good person. He even sold out his best friend.

Guys I'm really into Time Travel Flicks so I was analyzing the f*ck out the movie. I have to watch it again. Sci-Fi will forever be my favorite genre cause it has imagination. Just so people understand the Biggest Mistake "Back To The Future II" made was that if Marty and his Girl went to the future, there would be no way they would see their future self cause they left the past. That was the biggest mistake in the Back To The future series. This movie followed the "Spilt Timeline" paradox theory which is that if you change the past it doesn't effect the current timeline but a different timeline.

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In the New Timeline the Rainmaker grows up with a mother. In Old Joe's timeline he does not which is why he becomes the rainmaker.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

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I thought it was 3 boys that was born in the hospital that day. Maybe the kid had long hair. 3 possible rainmakers? Interesting theory but the story makes a point that the kid was the rainmaker once Old Joe saw Young Joe's memories. Plus when Old Joe kills the 1st kid, nothing happens to him, he didn't disappear so that proves that there was really only 1 Rainmaker Kid but all they had was the date and hospital. I just think the Stripper character was there to show Young Joe really wasn't some heartless killer, that he actually did care about people one he offered her half of his money to get out of town and raise her kid. The movie really was about redemption of Young Joe because with Old Joe he was able to see his future didn't turn out to great. His self sacrifice was him realizing his life wasn't going to go anywhere and that the Kid's life and his future Wife's life was more important.

Guys I'm really into Time Travel Flicks so I was analyzing the f*ck out the movie. I have to watch it again. Sci-Fi will forever be my favorite genre cause it has imagination. Just so people understand the Biggest Mistake "Back To The Future II" made was that if Marty and his Girl went to the future, there would be no way they would see their future self cause they left the past. That was the biggest mistake in the Back To The future series.

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They said specifically in the movie that they didn't know if the rainmaker was a boy or a girl, I'm pretty sure that stripper girl in young joe's universe had a girl when bruce went to kill her, yet young joe offered half his silver to raise her boy right.

again, I could be completely wrong, I know I missed a lot of small details in the movie, I had to sit front row and break my neck just to watch it and I was high as fukk. I'm going to go see again next weekend with my mom and pops to refresh my memory and analyze shyt further.

sci-fi movies

actually having to think and use my brain and analyze a movie

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

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In the New Timeline the Rainmaker grows up with a mother. In Old Joe's timeline he does not which is why he becomes the rainmaker.

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So did the rainmaker in old joe's timeline not have a mother because old joe from another timeline went back to try to stop the rainmaker and killed her JUST LIKE in young joe's timeline?(but he failed in young joes timeline because he killed himself and ended the "loop") This goes back to my theory that there are an INFINITE amount of Joe's and universes.

Lets say that Old Joe NEVER went back in time to try to kill the rainmaker. what would've caused the rainmakers mother to die and thus create the rainmaker in young joes universe? or do you think that detail is irrelevant?

 

[Rapmastermind]

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So did the rainmaker in old joe's timeline not have a mother because old joe from another timeline went back to try to stop the rainmaker and killed her JUST LIKE in young joe's timeline?(but he failed in young joes timeline because he killed himself and ended the "loop") This goes back to my theory that there are an INFINITE amount of Joe's and universes.

Lets say that Old Joe NEVER went back in time to try to kill the rainmaker. what would've caused the rainmakers mother to die and thus create the rainmaker in young joes universe? or do you think that detail is irrelevant?

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That's the thing, in the normal timeline, something happens to the Rainmaker mother. Maybe he accident kills her like he did with his real mom, who knows but in the normal timeline, The Rainmaker is born. Once Old Joe changes the Loop to go back and kill the rainmaker, that makes a new timeline but even in that timeline the Rainmaker is still born cause Old Joe is in the past. As long as Old Joe is in the past, the Rainmaker lives in the future. It's like in Terminator Part 1. In the original timeline, John Conner is still born but because Skynet set Terminator back to kill Sarah it created a new timeline where Kyle Reese is John's Father. Basically Old Joe again was in a losing battle, no matter how many times he went back, The Kid would of always killed him and grown up to become the rainmaker

Top 3 Movie of 2012 easily.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

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That's the thing, in the normal timeline, something happens to the Rainmaker mother. Maybe he accident kills her like he did with his real mom, who knows but in the normal timeline, The Rainmaker is born. Once Old Joe changes the Loop to go back and kill the rainmaker, that makes a new timeline but even in that timeline the Rainmaker is still born cause Old Joe is in the past. As long as Old Joe is in the past, the Rainmaker lives in the future. It's like in Terminator Part 1. In the original timeline, John Conner is still born but because Skynet set Terminator back to kill Sarah it created a new timeline where Kyle Reese is John's Father. Basically Old Joe again was in a losing battle, no matter how many times he went back, The Kid would of always killed him and grown up to become the rainmaker

Top 3 Movie of 2012 easily.

I should've got that because Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 are my favorite sci-fi movies of all time.

this movie was so good

 

[gluvnast]

is all I can say

 

[gluvnast]

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thats the loop. Thats why I said in my post it was cool that they showed the loop going through. Levitt's Joe killed Old Joe and then lived his life.Only for time to be up and he had to do it again. Maybe its me, but I thought we saw 3 loops?

i think so... i was thinking that myself after watching it.

 

[gluvnast]

Just got back, movie was amazing. Top 5 Time Travel Flick instantly. But I had to disagree with some of what people are saying:

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The girl on the farm and the prostitute were different people. But the prostitue's son was one of the 3 boys born in the hospital. So No, The Rainmaker was that kid period there were no alternate timelines that make both of the girls the same. But there were 2 timelines presented in the film:


*Timeline 1: Joe kill Old Joe ends the loop. He grows up in China and it just repeats.

*Alternate Timeline: Old Joe flips the script, kills his intruders then goes back in time prepared to escape and kill the Rainmaker as a child.

The Alternate Timeline is the one that movie focus on. But the moral is you can't change the past cause even though Old Joe tries to change the future, the events that make the Rainmaker still happen it just Old Joe is now the cause. The only way for the future to be changed was for Young Joe to close the loop by not killing his future self but his present self. If Young Joe just killed his Old Self, The Rainmaker is still born someway in the future. But by killing himself Old Joe never travels back and the kid gets raised by his mother and doesn't become the rainmaker. By the kid not becoming the rainmaker, he doesn't become the anti-Christ that Bruce painted him as becoming

Movie was sick, one of the better Time Travel films up with "Back To The Future and 12 Monkeys". Action was cool but it was a more character driven piece. I enjoyed it very much.

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no, there was three loops. if you look at it in order, the "alternate one" was the 1st loop, and it's implied by the 3rd loop that he killed the mother and the rainmaker was born...the 2nd loop, he tried to change it by accepting his fate, because by NOT killing the mother, he believe it would not create the rainmaker, THAT didn't work...it was up until the 3RD TIME the young joe realizes unless he kills himself, this will continue over and over no matter...

 

[YBE]

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I wished they would've showed The Rainmaker in the future

The kid was fukkin strong as hell at like 7 years old. I knew he was causing all sorts of hell as a grown man.

 

[street heat]

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I wished they would've showed The Rainmaker in the future

The kid was fukkin strong as hell at like 7 years old. I knew he was causing all sorts of hell as a grown man.

yea me too...

 

[Rapmastermind]

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no, there was three loops. if you look at it in order, the "alternate one" was the 1st loop, and it's implied by the 3rd loop that he killed the mother and the rainmaker was born...the 2nd loop, he tried to change it by accepting his fate, because by NOT killing the mother, he believe it would not create the rainmaker, THAT didn't work...it was up until the 3RD TIME the young joe realizes unless he kills himself, this will continue over and over no matter...

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Yea I was thinkin 3 loops but the movie focused mostly on the alternate loop where Old Joe tries to kill the Rainmaker. The fact that young Joe saw the Rainmaker future was a loop in itself but more a foreshadow that if he didn't stop Old Joe the rainmaker would still be born:

Loop 1: Young Joe kills Old Joe, lives 30 years in China, Rainmaker closes his loop and sends him back to be killed, Repeat.
Loop 2: Old Joe escapes Young Joe, Kills Rainmaker Mother, Rainmaker escapes. Repeat
Loop 3: Young Joe Kills Himself, Old Joe never exist, Kid lives with his mother and never becomes the rainmaker

The bottom line is as long as Old Joe is the past, The Rainmaker will live in the future. Cause and Effect.