just finished season 4 of the wire(edit just finished season 5)

[Dog Based Gremlin]

dont watch season 5

leave the series on top nikka

I threw season 5 in the bushes 10 mins into the first episode

 

[Kaypain]

Am I the only one who didn't think season 5 was bad?

Also have to take into consideration I haven't seen it again since it aired in 08

Every season had had its pros and cons. But I guess the cons outweighed the pros in Season 5. Still fine film work in my opinion. I enjoyed every season.

 

[We Major]

4 is the GOAT season, flawless.

 

[Monoblock]

The Season 5 slander got to stop. Its not as good as 3 or 4 but its still good shyt. Yall acting like its Season 2 or some shyt the true undisputed garbage season of the series.

4 is the best season IMO. Randy house getting firebombed and that convo with Carver in the hospital


"You Gonna look out for me Sgt. Carver?"

 

[hex]

Season 5 was pretty damn bad but people still need to watch it.

Fred.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Season two was great and season five gets a bad rap because it was the worse out of the other four reasons but HBO fukked this show over. First they went in saying "10 episodes...have at it" then when they started filming (after the writers wrote content for ten episodes) they were told "on second thought...you only get eight", which made them try to fit all that shyt in because they didn't want to leave anything out. That's just talking about one season...HBO stayed shytting on thus show


Season four is the GOAT though. That along with Boys N Tha Hood and Lean On Me should be shown to all middle school children before going to high school.

 

[hex]

Season two was great and season five gets a bad rap because it was the worse out of the other four reasons but HBO fukked this show over. First they went in saying "10 episodes...have at it" then when they started filming (after the writers wrote content for ten episodes) they were told "on second thought...you only get eight", which made them try to fit all that shyt in because they didn't want to leave anything out. That's just talking about one season...HBO stayed shytting on thus show


Season four is the GOAT though. That along with Boys N Tha Hood and Lean On Me should be shown to all middle school children before going to high school.

To be fair nobody....and I mean nobody....was watching this shyt when it was actually on TV. They were lucky to get 5 seasons.

And yeah HBO fukked them but season 5 had major problems totally independent of HBO. The serial killer plot alone was terrible.

Fred.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

To be fair nobody....and I mean nobody....was watching this shyt when it was actually on TV. They were lucky to get 5 seasons.

And yeah HBO fukked them but season 5 had major problems totally independent of HBO. The serial killer plot alone was terrible.

Fred.

People did watch the first two seasons and then HBO went and made every episode available AN ENTIRE WEEK EARLY ondemand. I watched every single episode of this show the week it aired (I had DirecTV) but who the hell is going to wait until Sunday to see a show that is available on the Monday before? That shyt right there is going to kill your ratings for sure. Let's also not forget how they would wait two years in between seasons, they wanted to cancel right after season 3 (blaming the ratingsblaming)...this is the same season that they first went with the whole ondemand setup.

I lived in the DMV area around this time and there were talks about how local politicians wanted this show off the air because it was hitting too close to home and was "too realistic" because of the writers being former police officers.

 

[chuckifubuck]

If someone could put out a season 5 edit without the serial killer or newspaper stuff it would be a lot better. it still had some problems on the other stuff but it would be a good season.

Also fukk yall season 2 is great

 

[hex]

People did watch the first two seasons and then HBO went a made every episode available AN ENTIRE WEEK EARLY ondemand. I watched every single episode of this show the week it aired (I had DirecTV) but who the hell is going to wait until Sunday to see a show that is available on the Monday before? That shyt right there is going to kill your ratings for sure. Let's also not forget how they would wait two years in between seasons, they wanted to cancel right after season and blamed the ratings...this is the same season that they first went with the whole ondemand setup.

Breh it never had good ratings. Especially not for an HBO show. David Simon said he literally had to write letters to HBO more or less begging them not to cancel it for almost every season. I'm sure On Demand played a part but it had problems from day 1.

The only reason it got renewed is because HBO loved the show and critics were calling it the GOAT. Simon even said recently the GOAT talk probably wouldn't save the show if he pitched it now instead of back in the day, because nobody was watching it:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/da...highlights-at-tribeca-talk-stories-by-numbers

Fred.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Breh it never had good ratings. Especially not for an HBO show. David Simon said he literally had to write letters to HBO more or less begging them not to cancel it for almost every season. I'm sure On Demand played a part but it had problems from day 1.

The only reason it got renewed is because HBO loved the show and critics were calling it the GOAT. Simon even said recently the GOAT talk probably wouldn't save the show if he pitched it now instead of back in the day, because nobody was watching it:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/da...highlights-at-tribeca-talk-stories-by-numbers

Fred.

Where in there did he say he had to beg for a second season? I have read plenty of interviews from him and he didn't start getting shyt from them until after Season 3. Look at when the seasons were released.

Season 1 June 2002
Season 2 June 2003
Season 3 September 2004
Season 4 September 2007
Season 5 January 2008

Now we can leave Season 5 out of the discussion because it was known this was the finale but Season 1&2 were released a year apart and ran during the summer. If they were talking about canceling the show they wouldn't have had the second season done in enough time to get it out there in that amount of time because they wouldn't have been green lit for the budget. Season two had to have been already confirmed before the first season was finished airing.

Season 3 it then gets moved to September...the show is then advertised as being ondemand a week early AND IS NOW RUNNING ON SUNDAY NIGHTS AGAINST SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL. The show was still released on the one year schedule base but was opposing Sunday Night Football and having to deal with it being available a week early.

Season 4 then took THREE YEARS to be released because That's when he had to beg Gordon them not to cancel... after they basically sabotaged the series by putimg it against the NFL and putting it ondemand early... SOMETHING THEY HAVE NEVER DONE FIRST ANY OTHER SHOW.

In the early seasons the show was getting 3-4 million viewers then started dropping during the third season (it dropped to 1 million during the final season).

Simon is never going to shyt on HBO because at the end of the day they continue to give him opportunities and a pay check. It's plain as day HBO wanted this show to fail.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

If someone could put out a season 5 edit without the serial killer or newspaper stuff it would be a lot better. it still had some problems on the other stuff but it would be a good season.

Also fukk yall season 2 is great

I liked the newspaper being included, would have liked it more had they just focused on them lying about politicians and the police force but it was a good look IMO. It was actually pitched to HBO for that to be a spinoff with the papers and politicians being the focal point but HBO shot it down.

 

[hex]

Where in there did he say he had to beg for a second season? I have read plenty of interviews from him and he didn't start getting shyt from them until after Season 3. Look at when the seasons were released.

Season 1 June 2002
Season 2 June 2003
Season 3 September 2004
Season 4 September 2007
Season 5 January 2008

Now we can leave Season 5 out of the discussion because it was known this was the finale but Season 1&2 were released a year apart and ran during the summer. If they were talking about canceling the show they wouldn't have had the second season done in enough time to get it out there in that amount of time because they wouldn't have been green lit for the budget. Season two had to have been already confirmed before the first season was finished airing.

Season 3 it then gets moved to September...the show is then advertised as being ondemand a week early AND IS NOW RUNNING ON SUNDAY NIGHTS AGAINST SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL. The show was still released on the one year schedule base but was opposing Sunday Night Football and having to deal with it being available a week early.

Season 4 then took THREE YEARS to be released because That's when he had to beg Gordon them not to cancel... after they basically sabotaged the series by putimg it against the NFL and putting it ondemand early... SOMETHING THEY HAVE NEVER DONE FIRST ANY OTHER SHOW.

In the early seasons the show was getting 3-4 million viewers then started dropping during the third season (it dropped to 1 million during the final season).

Simon is never going to shyt on HBO because at the end of the day they continue to give him opportunities and a pay check. It's plain as day HBO wanted this show to fail.

Breh if I'm wrong but I'm gonna need some links. I've never heard Simon say anything about the ratings other than they didn't exist. He harps on it almost constantly. Hell, even the actors said it:

http://www.maxim.com/tv/maxim-interrogates-the-makers-and-stars-of-the-wire

When The Wire debuted on June 2, 2002, its pace and style drew mixed reviews, and the show’s ratings were low compared with two of HBO’s biggest hits, The Sopranos and Sex and the City. Still, it was compelling television and soon built up a fervent fan base.

Michael Kostroff: Every season it was a battle with HBO to get the show back on the air. From what I heard, they threatened to cancel it every season.

John Doman: I understand Sopranos was their huge hit so they put a lot of money behind it, but they put very little behind The Wire. We were kind of an underground thing for a long time. I think because David and Ed are kind of outsiders – they’re not part of the Hollywood scene – that the show just kind of got ignored.

Chris Albrecht: The show stayed on because [then HBO president] Carolyn Strauss and I liked it. We’d make David wait. We’d agonize over the decision, and invariably David would write us a long, sometimes vitriolic, but always searingly intelligent letter. And we’d go, “fukk it. Let’s do it.”

Not saying you're wrong but
And when a season drops has no relation to when it gets greenlit. Most shows only take 3-4 months to film so season 1 could've dropped, HBO could've sat there like for a solid 6 months before it would impede season 2.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Here's an article where Simon says it actually got cancelled after season 3, that's why they had a long ass break:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a...or-david-simon-to-retire-from-television.html

Not sure why they'd cancel a critically acclaimed popular show after 1 season of bad ratings, though.

Fred.

 

[hex]

From Wikipedia for season 1. The Simon quotes are from an HBO interview:

Despite the critical acclaim, The Wire has received poor Nielsen ratings, which Simon attributes to the complexity of the plot, a poor time slot, heavy use of esoteric slang, particularly among the gangster characters and a predominantly black cast. Critics felt the show was testing the attention span of its audience and felt that it was mistimed in the wake of the launch of the successful crime drama The Shield on FX. However, anticipation for a release of the first season on DVD was high at Entertainment Weekly.

Again, not saying you're wrong, but work with me breh.

Fred.