Jru Holiday Took 17 Threes Tonight

[SchoolboyC]

Unguarded: How the Grizzlies Disrupted the Celtics' Offensive Machine

Jrue Holiday was at the center of the Memphis Grizzlies defensive game plan. Here's why it worked, and why other teams might take a crack at the same coverage.

celticschronicle.com

Good article by the way.

Takeaway from that game should be how great the Grizzlies looked defensively but unfortunately that ain’t how it works

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Huh? He shoots midrange at a higher percentage....that's not the same thing.

He's shooting 33% from 3 this year. In no way he should be taking 17 attempts. That's not winning basketball and it showed

Except he doesn't shoot in the midrange from a higher percentage.

33% from 3 is equal to 50% from 2. Why do you think teams shoot more 3s than long 2s now? Because it's more efficient.

Jrue does NOT shoot higher than 50% from midrange. He hasn't shot 50% from midrange over an entire season for his whole career.

Furthermore, the point I was trying to make in regards to this thread being made is, if he had attempted 17 shots from midrange, this thread would have never been made. I'm pointing out that folks hold this irrational belief when it comes to 3s. It's not based on anything objective, but merely because they simply don't like the shot.

That's exactly the point. When your jumpshot isn't falling one way, you look for another way to get going - try to get the line, get an easy layup, etc...You don't John Starks your way out of it.

Memphis were giving him that shot, and playing off him, forcing him to beat them from behind the arc.

Jrue isn't some elite driver or foul merchant where he can just easily score in other ways against a defense that won't so easily give those opportunities to him. The season is 82 games long, players will have bad games. Players will have games where they should've taken a different approach on offense, in hindsight. It's not thread worthy.

Just imagine if we used the same logic that this thread is based on for every game - we'd have 50 different threads a night, either talking about how someone shot great from 3 or shot bad from 3.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Takeaway from that game should be how great the Grizzlies looked defensively but unfortunately that ain’t how it works

It's hilarious how these cats keep changing the perspective of how they view the game, almost always contradicting themselves in the process.

They complain about how no defense is being played in today's game, and yet here instead of acknowledging Memphis' gameplan and execution on defense, which essentially allowed them to load up on the rest of the Celtics and force Jrue to beat them, they focus on how bad Jrue was instead.

Just constantly reframing the argument just so they can forcus on the bad.

 

[boskey]

Takeaway from that game should be how great the Grizzlies looked defensively but unfortunately that ain’t how it works

Came in here to say something similar. Shouldn't the conversation now be about effectively defending the 3 point shot? What kind of players and system do you need to slow a team down instead of trying to outshoot them?

Whoever figures that out is the next dynasty, right??

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Came in here to say something similar. Shouldn't the conversation now be about effectively defending the 3 point shot? What kind of players and system do you need to slow a team down instead of trying to outshoot them?

Whoever figures that out is the next dynasty, right??

You need to do both.

It's the reason why the Celtics ran through the league last year, and they're projected to do the same this year, barring injury. They had without a doubt the best balance of shooting 3s and defending 3s last year. And it's not just about shooting or defending that shot, in isolation, but it's what it does to the slide of momentum which affect the runs a team goes on.

I know a lot of folks keep going on about how teams need to diversify their offense, and not shoot so many 3s, but replacing those 3s with long 2s for the sake of, limits your window of momentum because those type of shots can only dig you so far out of a hole or can only put you only so far in front. You're essentially fighting an uphill battle doing that, whilst going up against a team who prioritizes 3s who're going downhill.

 

[ISO]

The same people that added the 3 point line have the power to remove it

They added it as an “excitement gimmick”, but has developed into the opposite. For it to still be an “excitement gimmick they need to set it at the logo

It’s just a fukking jump shot

 

[ISO]

I’m looking for a graphic showing how often the team that hit the most 3’s wins the game. It’s like a 90% rate. I just need to find the tweet.

Yes, the team that makes the most shots wins

 

[Harry B]

It’s just a fukking jump shot

In 1979, that's what they said

And it's not just a fukking jump shot, it's a fukking jump shot that gives you 50 % more points if your toe does not cross a certain line.


My only point is that they added it for the sake of entertainment the might as well remove it or push it back for the sake of entertainment, if it really is affecting the entertainment value

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

In 1979, that's what they said

And it's not just a fukking jump shot, it's a fukking jump shot that gives you 50 % more points if your toe does not cross a certain line.


My only point is that they added it for the sake of entertainment the might as well remove it or push it back for the sake of entertainment, if it really is affecting the entertainment value

According to whom?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Oh, would you take a look at that - Jrue in the next game goes back to taking 8 shots, in total (almost right in line with his season average), shooting 50% from 3.

It's almost like the game that this thread was created on was an outlier.

Who would've thought.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Two 7fters running the offense to generate an open 3.

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Make the 3 pointer worth 2.5 points and install spikes that can pop out randomly behind the 3 point line to discourage people from being in that area. And allow goaltending but only on 3 point shots.

fukking DEAD

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Shoot the J!

SHOOT IT!!!

I laughed at every Chappelle episode, but I don't think I laughed harder than when he said this shyt

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

We all understand that analytically this makes sense, but when they not falling it's a mess

Question for you - aren't all shots a mess when they're not falling?

Why do y'all have such an issue with 3-pt jumpers when they're missing, but not the same for missed jumpers that are taken a few feet in?

This season the league-average for 3-pt% is 36%, which is right in line with the percentage it's been for the last 20 years, even despite 3-pt volume being higher than ever, the efficiency hasn't dipped. Y'all would have a point if the league 3-pt% had drastically dropped and all teams were shooting poorly, but 3-pt efficiency is the same as it's been for 20 years.

I mean, when we talk about how good a player is at scoring, we use their averages do we not? We say x-player is averaging 25 ppg on 50% efficiency, right? We don't go and cherry-pick one game where they shot poorly to make a grand statement of their ability as a scorer do we? So why do y'all do it for this league's 3-pt shooting? You take outliers (like this thread is based upon) which aren't reflective of the norm and make out like it's a widespread issue.

Constantly cherry-picking anamolies to layer confirmation bias. That's all cats do on this board when it comes to today's league.

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

The same people that added the 3 point line have the power to remove it

They added it as an “excitement gimmick”, but has developed into the opposite. For it to still be an “excitement gimmick they need to set it at the logo

Caitlin Clark is the most popular athlete in the world shooting 10 three a game.

It must be exhausting pretending to hate 3 pointers.