Joss Whedon, the most overrated man in Hollywood.

[The Fukin Prophecy]

He's overrated as fukk but you makin it sound like his shyt is M night status...

 

[Box Cutta]

Firefly and Serenity are wonderful.

Dr. Horribles Singalong Blog was cute fun (No homo).

Avengers was just a run of the mill comic book movie to me, nothing more and nothing less.

Never fukked with Buffy, Angel, or Dollhouse....

For the most part though, this whole "Man-Child Comic Book Fan Star Wars Geek Director Super Dork Nerd" thing over the past decade has grown kind of silly imo. Whedon, Smith, Abrams, loads of others...everyone trying to get on that nostalgia tip these days...I dunno, I'm just a little tired of it. Feeling like I need some "adult culture" or something. Sort of wish that Hollywood never took over comic culture (Or, vice-versa, whichever you consider).

 

[FrederickDouglas]

James Cameron is the most overrated man in Hollywood.

 

[Lord Scion]

James Cameron is the most overrated man in Hollywood.

This.

Made two movies that grossed over a billion about some punk ass boy on a ship and a gang of blue people and everyone thinks he is gawd. They overlook the garbage known as Dark Angel, Abyss, Solaris... etc...

 

[duncanthetall]

The Alien Resurrection script debacle in Whedon's own words:



And Whedon's TV shows (from Buffy to Dollhouse) ranged from amazing to pretty damn cool so I would disagree with the charge that he is overrated.

i love tearing down favorites (i think kevin smith is completely trash, i think nolan is slightly overrated, i dont really give a fukk about star wars, etc.) but i thought avengers was very good and cabin in the woods kept me surprised to the very end. i havent seen much else of his work, but the man seems very talented. his rating seems accurate

Same. I'm a fan of Whedon from his work with X-Men too. The guy tells an amusing story. Plus Firefly and Serenity. Not to mention Buffy. The guy is held in high regard for a reason. If you don't like it, cool. You don't. Don't try and just throw him in the bushes and say all his shyt is garbage.



Oh yeah, to you Nolan stans. I'm pretty much a Nolan stan and Bale is my favorite actor out, but The Avengers >>> TDKR.

Get over it.

 

[hex]

Sure he didn't get to direct it. But it was his story, mostly unchanged. It was his dialogue. A fukking cyborg sidekick? A baby Alien as a villain? A shytty anti-climatic ending? All Whedon.

False. They changed vast portions of the story/dialogue. The ending he wrote had a humans vs aliens war on Earth. The studio was like "nah" so he rewrote the ending five times. Then they ended up adding the alien baby and all kinds of crazy shyt he never wrote:

Interview: Joss Whedon | Go Into The Story

Joss Whedon: There were five (endings). And it was always either “the director had a vision” or they had a budget issue. And as a script doctor I’ve been called in more than a few times, and the issue is always the same: “We want you to make the third act more exciting and cheaper.” And my response inevitably is, “The problem with the third act is the first two acts.” This response is never listened to. I usually walk away having gotten one or two jokes into a script and made some money and feeling like I am just bereft of life. It’s horrible. The exceptions were “Toy Story” and “Speed,” where they actually let me do something.

In the case of “Alien: Resurrection,” they decided to spend their money in other places than going to Earth. And I just kept saying, “The reason people are here is we’re going to do the thing we’ve never done; we’re gonna go to Earth.” But there were a lot of things that we hadn’t done that we ended up not doing because of a singular lack of vision.

But rather than go into all of the reasons why “Alien: Resurrection” is disappointing to me, I will tell you that, yes, I wrote five endings. The first one was in the forest with the flying threshing machine. The second one was in a futuristic junkyard. The third one was in a maternity ward. And the fourth one was in the desert. Now at this point this had become about money, and I said, “You know, the desert looks like Mars. That’s not Earth; that’s not going to give people that juice.” But I still wrote them the best ending I could that took place in the desert. And then finally they said, “Y’knowww, we just don’t think we need to go to Earth.” So I just gave them dialogue and stuff, but I don’t remember writing, “A withered, granny-lookin’ Pumkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley.” Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts.

Fred.

 

[hex]

the thread has NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERHEROES.

joss whedon's partaking in the avengers has barely anything to do with his talent overall....he is first and foremost buffy, firefly, angel creator.

Again, false. He got the "Avengers" job because he had been writing "Astonishing X-Men" which was critically acclaimed/sold a ton. They didn't give him a $220 mill budget because of 3 TV shows, 2 of which got cancelled.

Fred.

 

[StraxStrax]

Now this nikka is lashing out and trying to save face by backing out the thread after gettin that work

Nah, man. I gave you facts that you didn't like and also my opinions. Nothing I've presented as facts is a lie. We disagreed and you guys got really mad. I ain't hating tho, your staning is really good so don't give up

 

[hex]

i have no clue how cabin in the woods got such great reviews.

i turned that trash off 30 min in.. was so wack to me

at asking how it got great reviews when you only seen 30 min of it. It got great reviews because of the rest of the movie.

Fred.

 

[Moose_Greyjoy]

Again, false. He got the "Avengers" job because he had been writing "Astonishing X-Men" which was critically acclaimed/sold a ton. They didn't give him a $220 mill budget because of 3 TV shows, 2 of which got cancelled.

Fred.

Most people don't know this though

 

[Real]

Nah, man. I gave you facts that you didn't like and also my opinions. Nothing I've presented as facts is a lie. We disagreed and you guys got really mad. I ain't hating tho, your staning is really good so don't give up

U aint provide no facts. U were just arguing just to argue

 

[StraxStrax]

U aint provide no facts. U were just arguing just to argue

I thought you read the thread, now it all makes sense

 

[hex]

Most people don't know this though

I don't mind people not knowing something, I mind them still talking about it anyway.

Fred.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Again, false. He got the "Avengers" job because he had been writing "Astonishing X-Men" which was critically acclaimed/sold a ton. They didn't give him a $220 mill budget because of 3 TV shows, 2 of which got cancelled.

Fred.

I doubt his work on the X-Men comic was what got him the job (otherwise why wouldn't Kevin Smith have been on the short list?) and suspect it had more to do with Marvel being able to get Whedon on the cheap compared to more established movie directors.

 

[Dwolf]

Avengers.