JonBenet Ramsey, so it was the parents?
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Sauce and Footwork
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Forgot to post this interview from their maid at the time.
LINDA WILCOX: My reaction might have been a little bit different. I was out of state. I had attended my grandmother's funeral that very afternoon. I was staying at my mom's home out of state. My honey, from back here, called me, on the phone. He doesn't keep up with my personal business life and he thought I still worked for them. Because he called and said, 'When do you work for the Ramseys?' I said, 'The Ramseys?' and he said, 'Yeah, John and Patsy.' And I said, 'I haven't been there in a year and a half.' And he said, well someone has murdered JonBenet and it was just instant shock. Just at that moment, my mother had turned on the television, she has cable, and her local news came on and they showed the picture of the house. And I'm like, Oh my God, something is really bad and I said, 'Do they know who did it?' and he said, "well no" and was telling me a bit of what he knew. This was on the 27th. Because that's when he got ahold of me. I was travelling on the 26th and he (couldn't
understand). My initial reaction was, a stranger didn't kill that child.
PETER BOYLES: Why did you think that?
LINDA WILCOX: Gut feeling more than anything. But even now, more than then, I would (something) on everything I have that a stranger did not kill JonBenet. The lay of the house doesn't..it would be very difficult. Possibly, there are people who are professional. But then they would have done a professional job. Lots of little things contribute to my belief. Someone who didn't know that house, really well, couldn't have done what they done (sic) without being noticed. It's not possible. It is physically impossible. You had to know little things. Like for example, you walk in the room and hit the switch, the light doesn't come on. See, cause when the room was redone, they put in a ceiling fan, one of the metal ones, without a light kit on it. The only light in her room was the lamp between the two beds. You have to physically walk over and turn it on. It isn't run by the switch. The switch was
meant to run the overhead ceiling light which was removed to install the ceiling fan.
The maid also confirms the white blanket wrapped around her body does belong to the ramseys as she had just washed it 2 days prior. (The supposed intruder literally Is only using the families own items for every part of the timeline…including the paper from Patsy’s notepad… there is not a single item in evidence not confirmed at some point to belong to the Ramseys lol cmon
Same maid says Burke rubbed feces all over her walls and bed all the time including her new candy box
LINDA WILCOX: My reaction might have been a little bit different. I was out of state. I had attended my grandmother's funeral that very afternoon. I was staying at my mom's home out of state. My honey, from back here, called me, on the phone. He doesn't keep up with my personal business life and he thought I still worked for them. Because he called and said, 'When do you work for the Ramseys?' I said, 'The Ramseys?' and he said, 'Yeah, John and Patsy.' And I said, 'I haven't been there in a year and a half.' And he said, well someone has murdered JonBenet and it was just instant shock. Just at that moment, my mother had turned on the television, she has cable, and her local news came on and they showed the picture of the house. And I'm like, Oh my God, something is really bad and I said, 'Do they know who did it?' and he said, "well no" and was telling me a bit of what he knew. This was on the 27th. Because that's when he got ahold of me. I was travelling on the 26th and he (couldn't
understand). My initial reaction was, a stranger didn't kill that child.
PETER BOYLES: Why did you think that?
LINDA WILCOX: Gut feeling more than anything. But even now, more than then, I would (something) on everything I have that a stranger did not kill JonBenet. The lay of the house doesn't..it would be very difficult. Possibly, there are people who are professional. But then they would have done a professional job. Lots of little things contribute to my belief. Someone who didn't know that house, really well, couldn't have done what they done (sic) without being noticed. It's not possible. It is physically impossible. You had to know little things. Like for example, you walk in the room and hit the switch, the light doesn't come on. See, cause when the room was redone, they put in a ceiling fan, one of the metal ones, without a light kit on it. The only light in her room was the lamp between the two beds. You have to physically walk over and turn it on. It isn't run by the switch. The switch was
meant to run the overhead ceiling light which was removed to install the ceiling fan.
The maid also confirms the white blanket wrapped around her body does belong to the ramseys as she had just washed it 2 days prior. (The supposed intruder literally Is only using the families own items for every part of the timeline…including the paper from Patsy’s notepad… there is not a single item in evidence not confirmed at some point to belong to the Ramseys lol cmon
Same maid says Burke rubbed feces all over her walls and bed all the time including her new candy box
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Biggest clue in the case is the ransom note and the fact that JonBenet ate right before she was killed. She had pineapple in her system which takes about 30 mins to digest. That means the intruder would also have to find food in the house to feed her with 
Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
Exactly..lol. The intruder is turning on the upstairs and kitchen lights and going in the fridge for food. Absolutely ridiculousBiggest clue in the case is the ransom note and the fact that JonBenet ate right before she was killed. She had pineapple in her system which takes about 30 mins to digest. That means the intruder would also have to find food in the house to feed her with
Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
Just want to point out 2 outright lies by John and stated in this documentary
They act as if there is some mystery to this briefcase. This is John’s briefcase that was moved by his friend searching the house for JBR in the basement. Moving it by the high window to check if the window was locked. He used it as a stool . He told this to the police. Why are they acting like there is a mystery of who this person is and the footprint on it. his friend (who has an alibi , as he was at the party, I believe it may have been his party) was the first person at 6am to go to the basement. His friend only checks the house in the midst of there being a ransom note, because a year prior his daughter went missing briefly but was found in their basement (hiding or whatever). He was just being a parent using his daughter for reference and checking for points of entry as I would also do if my child was missing. However John tells police he didn’t go down to the basement until he found the body around 1pm and later lies. But he tells police the window was open not knowing his friend already told police it was locked . Him and this same friend get into a fight after the funeral. The friend accusing him of lying and not cooperating with the police (leaving to Atlanta and not communicating with authorities)
Secondly they are presenting the man at the end whom stated he knew JBR and her mother and takes responsibility for the murder (John Mark Karr) as some type of viable suspect and wants us to think he is actually the person who did it and because the dna is contaminated it exonerated him when it shouldn’t have according to them.
The reason other than him not presenting any other facts other than what everyone already knew, meaning the public. The police have him being in Atlanta GA at the time . He was not in Colorado. This is why the released him. John outright tells an incredibly Huge lie stating his maid told him she saw him peeping around their garage. How can he be peeping in the garage when he was in Atlanta at that time, verified by police and fbi. They talk about this man almost the entire episode
John is such a manipulator. The question everyone ask “why then is he continuing to push for the murderer to be found). It’s the same dog and pony show and incredibly large amount of misinformation put out to clear his families name as people still believe they are guilty. He is a multi millionaire psychopath just like his son. He displays arrogance and rapid dishonesty. The parents rejected taking A lie detector test. Don’t know about you but I would be more than happy to do the lie detector test to get the police off my back and show I am innocent. You cannot convict someone solely off of a lie detector test, so stating not to take it because the fbi might manipulate it or not do it right is fukking ridiculous
They act as if there is some mystery to this briefcase. This is John’s briefcase that was moved by his friend searching the house for JBR in the basement. Moving it by the high window to check if the window was locked. He used it as a stool . He told this to the police. Why are they acting like there is a mystery of who this person is and the footprint on it. his friend (who has an alibi , as he was at the party, I believe it may have been his party) was the first person at 6am to go to the basement. His friend only checks the house in the midst of there being a ransom note, because a year prior his daughter went missing briefly but was found in their basement (hiding or whatever). He was just being a parent using his daughter for reference and checking for points of entry as I would also do if my child was missing. However John tells police he didn’t go down to the basement until he found the body around 1pm and later lies. But he tells police the window was open not knowing his friend already told police it was locked . Him and this same friend get into a fight after the funeral. The friend accusing him of lying and not cooperating with the police (leaving to Atlanta and not communicating with authorities)
Secondly they are presenting the man at the end whom stated he knew JBR and her mother and takes responsibility for the murder (John Mark Karr) as some type of viable suspect and wants us to think he is actually the person who did it and because the dna is contaminated it exonerated him when it shouldn’t have according to them.
The reason other than him not presenting any other facts other than what everyone already knew, meaning the public. The police have him being in Atlanta GA at the time . He was not in Colorado. This is why the released him. John outright tells an incredibly Huge lie stating his maid told him she saw him peeping around their garage. How can he be peeping in the garage when he was in Atlanta at that time, verified by police and fbi. They talk about this man almost the entire episode
John is such a manipulator. The question everyone ask “why then is he continuing to push for the murderer to be found). It’s the same dog and pony show and incredibly large amount of misinformation put out to clear his families name as people still believe they are guilty. He is a multi millionaire psychopath just like his son. He displays arrogance and rapid dishonesty. The parents rejected taking A lie detector test. Don’t know about you but I would be more than happy to do the lie detector test to get the police off my back and show I am innocent. You cannot convict someone solely off of a lie detector test, so stating not to take it because the fbi might manipulate it or not do it right is fukking ridiculous
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Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
Stun Gun theory
- the Ramseys used their own experts and Det Lou Smit who stated there was no doubt the marks on her body came from a stun gun in which she was subdued(why the fukk do you need a stun gun for a 6 year old child).
Not only does the autopsy not support this as they believed it was an object used, but the police used their own expert. A doctor
“2002 interview with 48 Hours, pathologist Werner Spitz stated that pebbles or rocks on the floor may have been responsible for the back marks.”
“In CBS's 2016 The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey, Spitz noted: “If you look carefully at those two marks in her back, there is a central defect within each of the marks. That defect is from something penetrated through the skin.” This description sounds very similar to Wecht’s opinion that they were punctate abrasions”
I was in the US Marine Corps and often worked as security at the gate (not a police officer) I stunned someone before and it was also a part of a training exercise. It leaves burn marks. She has no burn marks. I have literally stunned someone before and seen what it looks like first hand. That is not a burn mark. It doesn’t matter what the diameter is.
Here is evidence that the injury came from Burkes train tracks.
Look at the measurement. The exact same diameters
“The pins of the track left red marks when sufficient pressure was applied, and I suspected that the twisting motion of the twin outside rails could have been responsible for the appearance of an abrasion, especially when considering that the target area was the soft skin of a 6-year-old girl’s back. It was my observation that the twisting motion of the pins could have created the round and slightly rectangular aspect of the abrasions as noted by Dr. Meyer during the autopsy.” [FF, p. 386
The train track has 3 outer prongs or whatever you want to call it lol. There was a train track that was missing one in the center. Us boys especially know they fall out all the time if you ever owned one
Postmortem changes
Video showing train tracks were in the room
Model - Lionel o-gauge tracks
Conclusion : Does anything really need to be said about who would use parts of a child’s train track to poke JBR. Surely not an adult in this situation
Disclaimer - again I’m not trying to act like I’m finding anything new or some shyt. I’m just pulling from different sources. A lot of people believe this. I’m presenting nothing new. Don’t confuse my own words with the quotes which I post a lot. All validated. I have a reference for any claim I have made if someone does not believe one is valid. I’ll provide the name as well as the article or book page. (Not a forum … but official documents from professionals) I don’t post them after every single thing only for the fact I’m already writing these long ass post and trying not to take up so much space and make it worse lol. But I’ll post any reference. I’m a true crime nerd , but wanted to make the thread more of an informative one for people to discuss and reach their conclusions vs us just being ignorantly coli brehs arguing with eachother lol. Also I’m aware earlier in the thread it was a 360 where I stated it was an intruder. I humbly tell you I had done absolutely no research at that point. Saying those opinions out of ignorance from simply watching a Netflix documentary biased towards the family. Not being funny, but if the long post bother you there is a simple solution: just put me on ignore… you won’t see them
I’m not arrogant to think something offensive like if you don’t agree with me you are dumb or something. We all have our opinions. But at this point if you STILL believe a male intruder broke into the home turned on the upstairs and downstairs lights grabbed pineapples from the fridge to feed to the girl and goes downstairs and pokes her with Burkes train tracks. Not to mention only using items of the Ramsey family to commit this crime, including Patsy stationary and notepad (of course they say the garrote isn’t there’s… they also said Burkes flashlight he sleeps with every night was not theirs).. That is a bit of cognitive dissonance. This would be the dumbest criminal known to man. Literally screaming to be caught as he left every piece of evidence behind with his prints all over them (prints were wiped down suspiciously ) . And taking their time like hell/ (there are no actions indicating they were in a rush) And leaving the scene with his dna all over her body? lol laughable if it wasn’t so serious . Neither do these resemble actions of her mother or father. They actually were sleep at this time and the pediatrician stated to the grand jury he often saw the child and performed physicals and had never seen any signs of sexual assault. It makes absolutely no sense for the mother to be upset at her for wetting the bed and then give her a fukking pineapple. Also Burke says his parents were sleep and they never came down to the kitchen, in the case she caught her daughter up and got mad she was eating a pineapple. This is a child pageant mom… she is living through her daughter as she was probably favored and surely the families pride and joy. They were so proud and enamored with her (the parents).
More than likely the train tracks were used to see if his sister was actually dead following her head being caved in by the hard steel flashlight . Hlcauses of death were head trauma and strangulation . She is 6 and he was 9. He is strong enough to choke out his sister easily. This is what a child would do, poke to see if one would wake up (remember a family friend witnessed him hitting his sister in the head with a golf club angrily.) He is THE ONLY person is the home with a REAL motive. Anger problems, history of violence against his sister. Jealousy of how his sister was oohed and aaahd over as the little beauty queen and snapped possibly from her taking a pineapple from his bowl which set him off as he already had ill feelings of jealousy towards his sister (this is supported by friends of the family and the maid of his anger and jealousy towards her in statements to the authorities and fbi). Also supported by the constant and purposeful smearing of feces of her walls toys and bed by Burke. The maid stated only Burke played with his excrements and would do these things all the time
kolar about the crime scene: "CSIs had written about finding a pair of pajama bottoms in JonBenet’s bedroom that contained fecal material. They were too big for her and were thought to belong to Burke. Additionally, a box of candy located in her bedroom had also been observed to be smeared with feces."
- the Ramseys used their own experts and Det Lou Smit who stated there was no doubt the marks on her body came from a stun gun in which she was subdued(why the fukk do you need a stun gun for a 6 year old child).
Not only does the autopsy not support this as they believed it was an object used, but the police used their own expert. A doctor
“2002 interview with 48 Hours, pathologist Werner Spitz stated that pebbles or rocks on the floor may have been responsible for the back marks.”
“In CBS's 2016 The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey, Spitz noted: “If you look carefully at those two marks in her back, there is a central defect within each of the marks. That defect is from something penetrated through the skin.” This description sounds very similar to Wecht’s opinion that they were punctate abrasions”
I was in the US Marine Corps and often worked as security at the gate (not a police officer) I stunned someone before and it was also a part of a training exercise. It leaves burn marks. She has no burn marks. I have literally stunned someone before and seen what it looks like first hand. That is not a burn mark. It doesn’t matter what the diameter is.
Here is evidence that the injury came from Burkes train tracks.
Look at the measurement. The exact same diameters
“The pins of the track left red marks when sufficient pressure was applied, and I suspected that the twisting motion of the twin outside rails could have been responsible for the appearance of an abrasion, especially when considering that the target area was the soft skin of a 6-year-old girl’s back. It was my observation that the twisting motion of the pins could have created the round and slightly rectangular aspect of the abrasions as noted by Dr. Meyer during the autopsy.” [FF, p. 386
The train track has 3 outer prongs or whatever you want to call it lol. There was a train track that was missing one in the center. Us boys especially know they fall out all the time if you ever owned one
Postmortem changes
[Byard, R.W. & Tsokos, M. Forensic Sci Med Pathol (2013) 9: 135. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12024-012-9386-2]
[APC Essentials of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology. Anil Aggrawal. p. 170]
Video showing train tracks were in the room
Model - Lionel o-gauge tracks
Conclusion : Does anything really need to be said about who would use parts of a child’s train track to poke JBR. Surely not an adult in this situation
Disclaimer - again I’m not trying to act like I’m finding anything new or some shyt. I’m just pulling from different sources. A lot of people believe this. I’m presenting nothing new. Don’t confuse my own words with the quotes which I post a lot. All validated. I have a reference for any claim I have made if someone does not believe one is valid. I’ll provide the name as well as the article or book page. (Not a forum … but official documents from professionals) I don’t post them after every single thing only for the fact I’m already writing these long ass post and trying not to take up so much space and make it worse lol. But I’ll post any reference. I’m a true crime nerd , but wanted to make the thread more of an informative one for people to discuss and reach their conclusions vs us just being ignorantly coli brehs arguing with eachother lol. Also I’m aware earlier in the thread it was a 360 where I stated it was an intruder. I humbly tell you I had done absolutely no research at that point. Saying those opinions out of ignorance from simply watching a Netflix documentary biased towards the family. Not being funny, but if the long post bother you there is a simple solution: just put me on ignore… you won’t see them
I’m not arrogant to think something offensive like if you don’t agree with me you are dumb or something. We all have our opinions. But at this point if you STILL believe a male intruder broke into the home turned on the upstairs and downstairs lights grabbed pineapples from the fridge to feed to the girl and goes downstairs and pokes her with Burkes train tracks. Not to mention only using items of the Ramsey family to commit this crime, including Patsy stationary and notepad (of course they say the garrote isn’t there’s… they also said Burkes flashlight he sleeps with every night was not theirs).. That is a bit of cognitive dissonance. This would be the dumbest criminal known to man. Literally screaming to be caught as he left every piece of evidence behind with his prints all over them (prints were wiped down suspiciously ) . And taking their time like hell/ (there are no actions indicating they were in a rush) And leaving the scene with his dna all over her body? lol laughable if it wasn’t so serious . Neither do these resemble actions of her mother or father. They actually were sleep at this time and the pediatrician stated to the grand jury he often saw the child and performed physicals and had never seen any signs of sexual assault. It makes absolutely no sense for the mother to be upset at her for wetting the bed and then give her a fukking pineapple. Also Burke says his parents were sleep and they never came down to the kitchen, in the case she caught her daughter up and got mad she was eating a pineapple. This is a child pageant mom… she is living through her daughter as she was probably favored and surely the families pride and joy. They were so proud and enamored with her (the parents).
More than likely the train tracks were used to see if his sister was actually dead following her head being caved in by the hard steel flashlight . Hlcauses of death were head trauma and strangulation . She is 6 and he was 9. He is strong enough to choke out his sister easily. This is what a child would do, poke to see if one would wake up (remember a family friend witnessed him hitting his sister in the head with a golf club angrily.) He is THE ONLY person is the home with a REAL motive. Anger problems, history of violence against his sister. Jealousy of how his sister was oohed and aaahd over as the little beauty queen and snapped possibly from her taking a pineapple from his bowl which set him off as he already had ill feelings of jealousy towards his sister (this is supported by friends of the family and the maid of his anger and jealousy towards her in statements to the authorities and fbi). Also supported by the constant and purposeful smearing of feces of her walls toys and bed by Burke. The maid stated only Burke played with his excrements and would do these things all the time
kolar about the crime scene: "CSIs had written about finding a pair of pajama bottoms in JonBenet’s bedroom that contained fecal material. They were too big for her and were thought to belong to Burke. Additionally, a box of candy located in her bedroom had also been observed to be smeared with feces."
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Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
Smoking Gun Timeline
To put things in context John told officers his kids from his first marriage came a little before 1pm to the house. Officer Thomas describes the timeline contradiction of John finding the body:
Long said that John Ramsey climbed into a van with him and John Andrew and told them that JonBenét "was with Beth now."
The father and son broke down in tears as John Ramsey described how he had discovered
the body around eleven o'clock that morning.
I almost dropped the telephone as I reached to make sure the "record" button was pressed on my tape recorder. "When you say eleven o'clock that
morning, are you assuming that was Mountain time or Eastern time?" "I'm assuming that was Mountain time. He said eleven o'clock, so I'm
assuming he was speaking of his own time reference." I was blown away. We had just found a credible witness who heard John Ramsey say he'd discovered the body two hours earlier than we previously
believed.
That punched a big hole in the generally accepted timeline. Eleven o'clock would have been just about the time John Ramsey temporarily vanished from the sight of Detective Arndt, when she thought he had gone out to get the mail.
I recalled how Arndt described the marked
change in his behavior after he came back, silent, brooding, and nervous. Under those circumstances, any investigator would have to consider the possibility that Ramsey might have found the body on his private walk through his home”
John is on a fukking roll . Hit after hit
To put things in context John told officers his kids from his first marriage came a little before 1pm to the house. Officer Thomas describes the timeline contradiction of John finding the body:
Long said that John Ramsey climbed into a van with him and John Andrew and told them that JonBenét "was with Beth now."
The father and son broke down in tears as John Ramsey described how he had discovered
the body around eleven o'clock that morning.
I almost dropped the telephone as I reached to make sure the "record" button was pressed on my tape recorder. "When you say eleven o'clock that
morning, are you assuming that was Mountain time or Eastern time?" "I'm assuming that was Mountain time. He said eleven o'clock, so I'm
assuming he was speaking of his own time reference." I was blown away. We had just found a credible witness who heard John Ramsey say he'd discovered the body two hours earlier than we previously
believed.
That punched a big hole in the generally accepted timeline. Eleven o'clock would have been just about the time John Ramsey temporarily vanished from the sight of Detective Arndt, when she thought he had gone out to get the mail.I recalled how Arndt described the marked
change in his behavior after he came back, silent, brooding, and nervous. Under those circumstances, any investigator would have to consider the possibility that Ramsey might have found the body on his private walk through his home”
John is on a fukking roll . Hit after hit
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Every time the internet tries to play detective they make shyt worse not better.Y’all need to stop this. There were 3 stories this week on the Atlanta news station about black women killing their babies
And other dudes here talking about the family were pedosit’s some wild ass accusations in here without proof
@Sauce and Footwork You convinced me without a shadow of a doubt. Brother did it, parents covered it up.
Also the ransom note is clearly written by a woman lol. No man is writing a longwinded ass note like that.
Also the ransom note is clearly written by a woman lol. No man is writing a longwinded ass note like that.
Smoking Gun Timeline
To put things in context John told officers his kids from his first marriage came a little before 1pm to the house. Officer Thomas describes the timeline contradiction of John finding the body:
Long said that John Ramsey climbed into a van with him and John Andrew and told them that JonBenét "was with Beth now."
The father and son broke down in tears as John Ramsey described how he had discovered
the body around eleven o'clock that morning.
I almost dropped the telephone as I reached to make sure the "record" button was pressed on my tape recorder. "When you say eleven o'clock that
morning, are you assuming that was Mountain time or Eastern time?" "I'm assuming that was Mountain time. He said eleven o'clock, so I'm
assuming he was speaking of his own time reference." I was blown away. We had just found a credible witness who heard John Ramsey say he'd discovered the body two hours earlier than we previously
believed.
I recalled how Arndt described the marked
change in his behavior after he came back, silent, brooding, and nervous. Under those circumstances, any investigator would have to consider the possibility that Ramsey might have found the body on his private walk through his home
So John and co were at the house
It was suggested they search the house
John according to police went straight to basement and found her shortly after
Which they found suspicious
So prior to officially finding the body he supposedly told someone she was with Beth?
Wonder what time did police say he found body or at least brought it to there attention?
Just a weird ass case
The lack of force entry doesn't bother me tho considering John said weeks or months prior he had broken the basement window to climb in himself when he lost his keys. At least a dozen of ppl had keys to the house
There's obviously the ransom note
If it was all just to cover for Burke it was sloppy as hell...they didn't try very hard to hide or dispose of the notepad ...and 2 pages?
Don't buy the purpose of the note was to buy time for the parents to get body removed... According to police they searched the basement prior to John and found no body. If he knew she was down there why would he go to "find" her
I can I see the note being means to muddy the waters and maybe get the police to focus in on a maid,for example, someone who had the access, knowledge of home
The other cases of break ins and SA in the neighborhood prior/before is throwing me off too
Considering the pineapple being in her stomach can't think of anyone in the house being responsible besides the brother....also the lack of motive
I'm assuming he lured her to the basement when it happened
Or he hit her in kitchen and went to tell his parents (maybe just his mother) who then concocted the kidnapping plot
Smoking Gun Timeline
To put things in context John told officers his kids from his first marriage came a little before 1pm to the house. Officer Thomas describes the timeline contradiction of John finding the body:
Long said that John Ramsey climbed into a van with him and John Andrew and told them that JonBenét "was with Beth now."
The father and son broke down in tears as John Ramsey described how he had discovered
the body around eleven o'clock that morning.
I almost dropped the telephone as I reached to make sure the "record" button was pressed on my tape recorder. "When you say eleven o'clock that
morning, are you assuming that was Mountain time or Eastern time?" "I'm assuming that was Mountain time. He said eleven o'clock, so I'm
assuming he was speaking of his own time reference." I was blown away. We had just found a credible witness who heard John Ramsey say he'd discovered the body two hours earlier than we previously
believed.
I recalled how Arndt described the marked
change in his behavior after he came back, silent, brooding, and nervous. Under those circumstances, any investigator would have to consider the possibility that Ramsey might have found the body on his private walk through his home
So watching the doc
John and co were at the house
It was suggested they search the house
John according to police went straight to basement and found her shortly after
Which they found suspicious
So prior to officially finding the body he supposedly told someone she was with Beth his other dead daughter?
Wonder what time did police say he found body or at least brought it to there attention?
Just a weird ass case
The lack of force entry doesn't bother me tho considering John said weeks or months prior he had broken the basement window to climb in himself when he lost his keys. At least a dozen of ppl had keys to the house
There's obviously the ransom note
If it was all just to cover for Burke it was sloppy as hell...they didn't try very hard to hide or dispose of the notepad ...and 2 pages?
Don't buy the purpose of the note was to buy time for the parents to get body removed... According to police they searched the basement prior to John and found no body. If he knew she was down there why would he go to "find" her
I can I see the note being means to muddy the waters and maybe get the police to focus in on a maid,for example, someone who had the access, knowledge of home
The other cases of break ins and SA in the neighborhood prior/before is throwing me off too
Maybe it was the brother
I'm assuming he lured her to the basement when it happened
Or he hit her in kitchen and went to tell his parents (maybe just his mom) who then concocted the kidnapping plot
I think on the initial search the cops did when they first got to the house one of them stood right in front of the door of the room JonBenet's body was but never opened it. Those cops were inept as fukk lol.
Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
lol that’s the point ! Who is going to be more messy, a seasoned criminal or a mother … it’s why a kidnapper did not write it or a pedo and murderer who wants to just “throw the authorities off”. And I have never heard of someone who intends to write a ransom note , who relies on the stationary including pens and paper to be in the home. Who would put themselves through all of that? You would write the note prior. Even if it is to throw someone off. That’s why like you said it is sloppy… because a criminal did not write it. Nobody does this. What a dumb theif, yet they were able to navigate the house going upstairs and taking her back down without a peep, even turning on her bedroom light and going in the fridge.
Jim Clemente and other experts, the note would have taken the writer 21 and a half minutes to write (CBS Real Crime) and they determined as a fact that it was written after her death.
No way someone whom just murdered someone is going to waste all that time writing 2.5 pages staying there for a substantial amount of time . Risking your freedom when you don’t even intend to do a ransom. This has never happened.. You are leaving immediately
This intruder seems they took ALOT of time just hanging around the house. The brother also was awake at this time. He didn’t see anyone?? He admits on Dr Phil. Does it make more sense to you that an intruder (a grown deviant male) chilled in the house writing a ransom note that he never even made a call the next day or kidnapped the child or it was a bogus note written by the mother (which 6 grand jury handwriting experts pointed to her as the writer ). The point is it makes no sense because it’s bogus. The police and fbi said it made no sense for an intruder to simply write this note to throw the authorities off when except in the instance of a STAGING and COVER UP in which points towards the parents. It’s really common sense.
So why would someone who already murdered a child and doesn’t kidnap them take time to sit in the house and write a ransom note further incriminating themselves. Also leaving all evidence behind. Rope, flashlight, garrote. They just said fukk it and left it all. Have you ever in your life heard of this?? Without a ransom note it simply looks like murder. People would assume it was the parents (they already did) . Y’all think I’m just talking, so I’ll post the experts and what they thought. Keep in mind the paper came from Patsy stationary and there was a pre-draft in there on another paper in the notebook addressed - Mr and Mrs…. Have you ever in your life heard of a criminal who does not bring their own materials . But hopes it is there when they arrive and is ocd about their handwriting?
“SSA Fitzgerald informed me that, along with being a criminal profiler, his particular area of expertise in the BAU was forensic linguistics and that he had testified as an expert witness in state and federal courts on a number of occasions. One of the investigations he had participated in was the Ted
Kaczynski "Unabomb" case. Though he was aware of Professor Foster's work on the Ramsey ransom note, and had reviewed the written opinion of the professor's findings, he had not been provided the opportunity to personally evaluate the note and writing
exemplars collected from any of the suspects in the matter. We spoke about the elements of crime scene staging, and references in the note to the lines of dialogue that were in headliner movies before, or at the time of JonBenét's murder. Like agents Gregg McCrary, and John Douglas, he felt that the use of movie script dialogue suggested an amateurish attempt to misdirect the course of the investigation. This was not how kidnappers
operated in the real world. SSA Fitzgerald agent expressed his personal views about the contents of the ransom demand, but the extensive analysis required to issue a professional opinion on the possible identity of the author of the note had not yet taken”
Chet Ubowski of CBI wrote of one of her samples that "This handwriting showed indications that the writer was Patsy Ramsey.'' Ubowski told investigators that the samples she gave "do not suggest the full range of her handwriting.''
- The autopsy findings.
““I was going through the notebook that contained Patsy’s handwriting, and I came across an entire sheet of paper in the notebook still attached with what appeared to be the initial ransom note,” former Boulder police detective Jeff Kithcart said during the Monday, November 25, premiere episode of the three-part docuseries. “It said, ‘Mr.’ and then like, maybe, the initial vertical stroke of an 'R.' It could have been the first draft of what had appeared to me to be the possible ransom note.”
Also a former fbi agent was tapped by the Ramseys to be part of the legal counsel. The agent denied indicating it was because he believed them to have staged it and Patsy was the writer. I posted him earlier in the thread.
There are so many more statements from fbi agents and handwriting experts stating this is her writing. John was ruled out. The handwriting experts who denied this were only the ones hired by the Ramsey family.
I’ll post this vid one more time. But I have a very large list of former fbi agents and police officers who state this is a bogus letter that DID NOT come from a intruder
Jim Clemente and other experts, the note would have taken the writer 21 and a half minutes to write (CBS Real Crime)
Forensic linguistics expert James Fitzgerald also recognized a similarity between the writing in the note and Patsy Ramsey’s own handwriting. He specifically stated, “the font-style printing is a feminine trait . . . Patsy Ramsey used this letter-form in her handwriting” (CBS Real Crime). It is unusual for both handwriting’s to come from the same household and to be so close.
No we can’t dismiss the points of entry for the fact John lied to the police and stated that window was open and also stated it on the Netflix doc. His friend whom was called over to the house amongst others was in the basement at 6am checking that same window, using a suitcase as a stool and told the police it was locked. This is before John goes down at 1pm finding his daughter and supposedly discovery the window was open. Without a point of entry there is no intruder. I hear you about the keys. But a neighbor was awake facing the house and observed upper and kitchen lights turned on. This supposed intruder is very sloppy and loud turning on lights and going in the refrigerator for fruit. lol. The children were simply awake downstairs. The timing the neighbor witnessed this is right before the murder around midnight. She was never taken. She went downstairs after her brother and the incident occurred between them.
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I watched the doc over the weekend while I was sick, started doing some other reading online.
My conclusion -- it was the brother Burke. 100%
My conclusion -- it was the brother Burke. 100%