John Fetterman went to Congress and became a bigger piece of shyt. UPDATE: Now kissing Trump’s ring!

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So even cutting past any due process arguments, the costs of this bill should be looked at in comparison to the numerous other policies that could be funded which would be more beneficial to Americans. I think that plays a role in why roughly 3/4s of Democrats voted against the bill, because even I was expecting the margins to look worse.
Hey I agree and I've advocated for those measures. But I'm also merely operating in the current landscape where places with more progressive policies are having a lot of financial issues (NYC and Chicago stand out) and they require more federal funding that they won’t get with the current/incoming legislature/potus.

So I see it like I think you do, I don’t think there’s an appetite to fund Trumps ambitions (surprise) nor desire to fund progressive programs either.

Yeah, this is generally reasonable and not talking past each other, which I can dig. My stance would be that asylum seekers deserve a hearing before being sent back to their home-country (because of the implications of seeking asylum). But I can see the point of disagreement.
I agree with you. I also agree we should fund the required numbers of judges etc to get the process back into the 180 days it’s supposed to be.

I also agree that we shouldn’t deport people prior to their hearing in most circumstances.

But I think we can agree on two things at play here:
1.) republicans want the system broken
2.) republican donors will benefit from government funds to private prisons for these detentions

And 1 and 2 are the drivers, not any genuine concern about actually improving nor fixing the system.


Circling back to a point I was touching on earlier— I just don’t see Dems blocking this in the senate particularly with the election results and an overall effort to change their perception on the border.

If republicans didn’t block the previous bill we wouldn’t be here and since I haven’t heard calls to block this in favor of that bill, the only realistic end goals I see is making changes to the bill to sure up some of the lawlessness in the original bill.
 

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Hey I agree and I've advocated for those measures. But I'm also merely operating in the current landscape where places with more progressive policies are having a lot of financial issues (NYC and Chicago stand out) and they require more federal funding that they won’t get with the current/incoming legislature/potus.

So I see it like I think you do, I don’t think there’s an appetite to fund Trumps ambitions (surprise) nor desire to fund progressive programs either.


I agree with you. I also agree we should fund the required numbers of judges etc to get the process back into the 180 days it’s supposed to be.

I also agree that we shouldn’t deport people prior to their hearing in most circumstances.

But I think we can agree on two things at play here:
1.) republicans want the system broken
2.) republican donors will benefit from government funds to private prisons for these detentions

And 1 and 2 are the drivers, not any genuine concern about actually improving nor fixing the system.


Circling back to a point I was touching on earlier— I just don’t see Dems blocking this in the senate particularly with the election results and an overall effort to change their perception on the border.

If republicans didn’t block the previous bill we wouldn’t be here and since I haven’t heard calls to block this in favor of that bill, the only realistic end goals I see is making changes to the bill to sure up some of the lawlessness in the original bill.
The Biden bill should’ve been put through congress in 2021 or 2022
 

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This would literally never happen on the republican side and if it did rwoublican leaders would disown/pressure this congress members. Should be a primary movement with multiple millions in funding to get him out of office in 2028.

fukk John Fetterman and anybody that love em :pacspit:
Y’all did the same thing with Manchin and he voted for every Biden Judge and Bill

And now Dems will never get a blue vote from WV
 

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Fetterman is a racist redneck, always has been and always will be.

He’s been operating as an agent for Trump because he’s a poor white at heart and wants a way to be financially secure once he loses his next election. He’s no different than the rest of the people ready to kiss the ring for the next four years.

Democrats need to act early and don’t let him Manchin the party anymore than he already has.
 

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Y’all did the same thing with Manchin and he voted for every Biden Judge and Bill

And now Dems will never get a blue vote from WV
He voted or campaigned against every meaningful policy platform that Biden ran on tf are you talking about? Man ran on fox and cnn to shyt on bbb, mininum wage increases, inflation reduction, student loan forgiveness, infrastructure etc. Voting for judges is the bare qualification minimum if you're going to wear a D name. He went out voting AGAINST the democrat platform.
 

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Y’all did the same thing with Manchin and he voted for every Biden Judge and Bill




Sure he did, buddy

And now Dems will never get a blue vote from WV

Who gives a fukk
 

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Sure he did, buddy



Who gives a fukk
These people rather be the controlled opposition party then actually do something for people . He'd rather the party look like a complete unorganized mess at the national level instead of running on a complete unified platform. Manchin should have been kicked out the party once he dared go against the party, resources should have been freed up immediately for races in places like Wisconsin and other swing senators
 
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