Joey B! --- Official Biden 2020 Presidential Campaign Thread
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Everything is a fukking narrative, including the polls you guys use to show that Bernie was the best performer when it came to beating Trump.
Those polls probably show a stark difference now.
So which poll do you believe, the one that suits you or the latest one reflecting people's current thinking.
You know what beats polls? The reality of elections.
The reality of the election up to this point is that people trust Biden more than Bernie to get the job done against Trump. They kept that trust even he was getting trounced in caucuses and early primaries.
No conspiracy theories or shoulda woulda coulda changes that. You want the narrative to be in your favour? Win the election.
The narrative didn't change in our favor when we were winning the election though. After Bernie won the first 3 states, including a blowout in the third state, the narrative was how horrible it would be if Bernie managed to become the nominee. They didn't treat him like the most electable candidate even though he was winning states and winning head to head polls against Trump. Once Biden won his first state the narrative of him being electable came back up along with talk about his endorsements. MSM sets the narrative they want regardless of the facts.
Also polls from March still show Bernie beating Trump head to head.
Depends on who you asked, I congratulated the Sanders campaign, the massive ground operation and asked folks about how Sanders would govern. Even @the cac mamba was conciliatory.
Regarding the MSM, there was shock and stupid coverage, but they also had performed last rites on Biden's campaign.
It wasn't so long ago that I forget the narrative. The MSM was in disbelief about Sanders's dominance, but they hung their hopes on Mayor Pete, not Biden.
An MSNBC host laughed at a Biden surrogate who said things would change after South Carolina. No one believed Biden's campaign with its cash deficit and limited outreach compared to Bernie, could survive.
If you aren't happy Sanders is getting negative press from the same MSM he labels as the establishment, that's naive. That they are friendlier to Biden speaks more of the relationships he built with them over the years, while Sanders campaign inundated the social media space and were dominant there, which is the Momentum playbook.
Like the UK elections, however, social media dominance didn't translate to votes.
the cac mamba
Veteran
thats because he calls himself a socialist
the cac mamba
Veteran
not by a communist who just had a heart attack
Pretty sure he lost to mayor Pete out the gate.
He got more votes but they gave Pete more delegates. Not to mention the multitude of mathematical errors that still haven't been fixed in Iowa.
The point I'm making is he's never had in his two presidential runs a sustained period of dominating the primaries.
At this point it seem people don't see the need to put up with him because with new narrative being very simple, people just didn't like Hillary.
To just call it shock is by the MSM is misleading. The night he won Nevada Chris Matthews compared it to the Nazis taking over France. An onsite reporter audibly sighed when she was reporting that Bernie had won the caucus where she was.
Also I never claimed that the media was behind Biden between Nevada and South Carolina. They were pushing him hard out the gate then it became clear he had cognitive issues, so they started searching for an establishment replacement. They tried Harris, they pushed Warren, Klobuchar and eventually settled on Pete. The issue was that Pete had zero black support and very little latino support. Once Nevada made that clear they MSM was visibly panicking and pushing for voters to stop Sanders. After the Clyburn endorsement caused Biden to have a bigger win than expected in South Carolina and all the other establishment candidates dropped out, that's when the MSM started pushing Biden hard again and it all worked on their audience, older voters.
thats because he calls himself a socialist
Many people in this country believe the last Democratic president was a socialist. He is still one of the most popular political figures in the country today. That attack has been used so much against Democrats as to be meaningless. It's why people love Bernie's "socialist" plans but old people were convinced by the MSM that he can't beat Trump because of something that would cause young people to vote for him and wouldn't stop old people from voting against Trump.
not by a communist who just had a heart attack
Neither of those bs attacks are going to effect a debate. He's a communist according to you, he obviously isn't, that won't make his arguments worse. He had a heart attack last year, which is true, if he looks strong and healthy while making his case it doesn't matter.
the cac mamba
Veteran
biden beat bernie in all 6 states last tuesday. he will beat him in all 6 states this tuesday
People never liked Hillary, that's been widely known for decades but that didn't stop the media from pushing her as the most electable. Young people like Bernie Sanders. Old people listen to the media. Unfortunately more old people vote than young people.
This belief will always cause Bernie's movement to fail.
The belief that some powerful external power brainwashed EVERYONE BUT the people who voted for Bernie instead of looking inward at the clear political miscalculations the campaign made and learning from them.
Somehow in a world like America, where people support a p*ssy grabbing president, you can't fathom that people do not see Bernie as presidential material. Somehow you can't wrap your mind around the idea that some people find him likeable enough, but don't trust him to get his policy proposals enacted. Or that some people think Biden is more capable of taking the fight to Trump.
It's simpler for you to blame the media, or blame old brainwashed black folk instead of pointing that critical gaze inward.
After the first few contests the narrative was that despite the media coverage, Bernie had done enough to reach the people (remember that ground game that was touted in the Bernie thread and social media?) and that Biden by contrast, thought he could ride Obama's coattails but was failing utterly.
The tables changed and Sanders deserves no criticism, but yeah, Biden is just riding Obama's coattails to the win, when 3 weeks ago the Obama recognition and the MSM weren't enough to stop Sanders.
False, Bernie won North Dakota last Tuesday.