It's funny how Embiid is held to a higher standard in terms of needing to succeed in the playoffs while Jokic has been as equally unsuccessful as Joel, which is another reason why if he would've a 3rd MVP it'd been criminal and I don't wanna hear about that fluke WCF run in the bubble, it reminds me of how people bring up the Dame and Blazers WCF trip or the Atlanta Hawks fluke run a few seasons ago.
First off, let me say how refreshing it is to have another sister in The Coliseum with us! We get
@dora_da_destroyer and
@Danie84 from time to time, but only a random occasional visit from any other woman on here. So its dope to have another sister here, we hope you stay!
And you from 'Cuse, I been an Orange fan since Melo's year and I used to live in Elmira and Albany, used to be all up thru 'Cuse years ago from The Hill to like Strathmore area. I have a lot of love for that city!
You dont wanna hear about The Bubble WCF run but it happened, that alone gives him more playoff success than Embiid who has never won a Semifinals series...
Embiid's in the midst of a 6-year prime, dating to 2017-18 season. In his prime, he's played an average of 62.7 games/year, leading Philly to an average of 52 wins/year. In that span of time, his postseasons went swept outta Rd1 once, and 4x Rd2 loss...
His Win Shares the last 6 years are 54.1, .221 WS/48. His traditional numbers decline precipitously in the playoffs annually though, and there are several performances we can show that he should've played bigger yet went out sad...
In comparison Jokic is in the midst of a 5-year prime, dating to 2018-19, and he generally gets stronger in the playoffs, traditional numbers go up. 67.4 Win Shares, .267 WS/48...
Jokic thru his prime to this point, plays 77.4 games/year, leading Denver to an average of 52.2 wins/year. One WCF run, one Rd1 exit, two Semifinals exits...
Jokic has generally fielded a worse squad than Embiid but has slightly outpaced him in wins, is available ~15 more games/year, and has kept pace at worst in on court production, thiugh you could make the argument Jokic outproduces Embiid...
I'm a fan of both guys and you do have a point of how NBA Media handles white superstars compared to us. But Jokic is a better basketball player than Embiid...
Exactly.
No issue with him winning it, but I've never seen a player cry and lobby for having people for them as MVP as I've seen with Embiid.
No more playoff flops for him. Spend more time playing and less time laying on the hardwood.
It's ridiculous, I too have never seen a guy go this hard to be recognized. I'm glad he got it but damn, it reminds me of Dame and his lobbying to be an All-Star years ago...
Cause he needs success to justify a third straight MVP, winning his 1st was one thing, winning his 2nd, eh you gave him the benefit of the doubt but, to win his 3rd he'll need to improve his playoff track record. He won't win another one until then
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Ok fair enough, last season he arguably should have won.
There's a lot of narratives and different levels of standards being made for why Jokic should've won his 3rd MVP.
To say the other players (who may have had better stats/impact) aren't deserving of the award is biased in itself and is the reason why giving Jokic his 3rd straight would've been criminal. Every candidate's importance to their team is different, Jokic's impact doesn't outweigh theirs.
Most people have given him credit for being a great player but White players that happen to be a smidge of decent or great like Jokic, Luka, etc are given different levels of standards on what's considered success and are championed for not accomplishing much when it matters.
Those players I mentioned are greater than Jokic and are all champions, have been held to higher standards to be considered great and they've never won 3 MVPs straight (Kobe winning just one). LeBron almost won 5 straight (08-09 season-13) if not for being snubbed by the media in 2011, if he couldn't why should Jokic be awarded when he has had less success than LeBron in that span of time.
I'm cool with Jokic not winning 3 straight, I do think the precedent matters!
Kobe never deserved more than one MVP, the one he got in '08 was kind of a career achievement award in his 12th season, to kind of make up for not getting one earlier. It can, and has been, argued that Paul or LeBron deserved that '08 MVP more and there's credence to it. We can argue Kobe should have won one earlier, but in what year? Most people point to '06 when LA won just 45 games, there was no precedent for that until Westbrook's triple double year 11 years later...
Kobe never deserved more than one MVP...
and yes our city is special. Our college teams lately have been pretty bad tho 
I thought our football program was gonna make a run until it went downhill after that great start.
