You must not keep up with Joe Rogan, This was a relevant talking point maybe in the beginning of 2016. Once Bernie sanders got screwed, Joe basically campaigned against Hillary Clinton, but wasn't fully in camp for Trump. During 2020, when he got called out for saying the N word, comparing black people to monkeys, and spreading misinformation on vaccines, he started to only criticize democrats primarily, but still...he would atleast have on leftist commentators like Jon stewart, David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, Rhonda Patrick, etc.
Now fast forward to today, and before him recently having on John Fetterman, he hadn't had a leftist commentator on since Bill Maher in September of 2023. Even prior to that, started sparingly having them on. Meanwhile having on everyone else from Tucker Carlson, to Musk, to Peter fukking Thiel, to Dr. Phil to Kid Rock, Patrick Bet David, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and many more trump supporters *exclusively*.
Even positions he used to debate people like Candace Owens on, like climate change, he reversed and is in complete denial of today...
So your idea that Rogan is a Liberal...is incorrect today and for the past few years. This is common consensus.
Her favorability was significantly higher than Trumps in objective reality. Democratic turnout, was simply too low.
She rose in the polls by 3 points after the debate, while Trump was flip flopping about cats and dogs and abortion consensus.
As opposed to 20%(or more) tarrifs that we would end up paying for?
She literally demonstrated an economic plan during the debate, and a healthcare plan; whereas Trump only had """concepts of a plan""" there is no comparison in terms of who actually demonstrated more policy positions.
Trump cancelled more actual appearances and debates than Kamala...and went on podcasts that already leaned in his direction.
We have no evidence what so ever that Joe Rogan cost her the election more than say...Gaza fracturing the base and lower democratic turn out by 13 million vites.
Her policies, and progresive policies in general...are still more popular
Minimum wage increases? More popular
Pro union and labor? More popular
Progressive health care initiatives? More popular
Roe v Wade? More popular
And once again, Trump merely maintained his same support from 2020, in fact lost 3 million votes by comparison. Whereas democratic turnout was low. So considering the popularity of leftist policies, the popular vote had more to do with Trump maintaining his base, and Kamalas not turning out.
As stated before - Rogan is a liberal. Hillary is not a liberal, Bernie Sanders is. He has always been critical of Hillary. No surprise he did not vote for her.
That N word debacle died as fast as it started, no idea how this helps the point you're trying to illustrate. Rogan doesn't
only interview politicians you know? He's had plenty of people with leftist views on his platform. Weinstein, Thiel, and Musk who you just named were leftists. These guys were NOT Trump supports. When the Democratic party shifted to taking in far-left views and identity politics, these guys got demonized for calling it out. Like many Americans on the left, they felt the party shifted beneath them. Their views never changed. And calling them Trump supporters actually proves it - Trump is a moderate. Been a Democrat his entire life. He switched parties because he thought he could (rightfully) win the Presidency under the Republican party. Considering the amount of prominent Democrats that also switched (Tulsi, RFK) the rhetoric of the Republican party looking like the old Democrat party seems to be coming true.
Changing a position doesn't mean your entire political ideology changes. Even using climate change as an example, plenty of people on the left are the loudest voices denigrating the climate change movement for the grift that it is. In fact, a Liberal would most likely be the person to spot the hypocrisy of the ESG programs.
The comment regarding her earning less than 2% of the vote was in regard to her popularity
among Democrats. Comparing her favorability to Trump is irrelevant, especially as she just lost to him.
Kamala did indeed rise in the polls post-debate. For a week. When news of ABC's fact checking fiasco started making the rounds outside of traditional media, her campaign panicked. Their own internal numbers revealed she was in trouble as voters felt Trump was unfairly criticized.
Yes, we will pay for tariffs. We are paying for tariffs on good now. Under Trump and under Biden's admin who not only kept some but even expanded on a number of them. We can talk in depth about why a government would want to implement tariffs. We can talk about Europe's tariffs on American auto or China's companies stealing American IP after forcing them to partner with their companies to do business in Hong Kong. The tariff implementation is part of a larger strategy to address complaints from American companies about our government not fighting back on countries imposing tariffs on us. Add in the outsourcing of American jobs and you see why
both administrations were invested in doing so.
Kamala Harris never demonstrated an economic plan. Saying you will give people housing credits is not a plan. Even funnier is that the Trump campaign originally stated it and her campaign adopted it. Trump can definitely be criticized for saying he had concept of a plan. However, he did outline many times his plan included reducing government spending by focusing on the corrupt agencies stealing taxpayer dollars. When Kamala was asked about her idea to tax unrealized gains and she tried to explain it, she lost many voters. It showed she had no clue about how investments work. She got grilled by Democrats even worse than the Republicans.
Trump campaigned for 90 days straight in multiple states, did the appearance with the NABJ, several podcasts, and still had time to answer media questions. What appearances did he commit to and then cancel? The guy was everywhere. His VP was everywhere. The criticism was that Kamala Harris was hiding from the media. Again,
this was coming from her own party. No one believes Trump was avoiding anyone.
I never argued that her missing out on Joe Rogan's podcast cost her the election. I stated how it came across to the public. I'm sure it did not cost her the election because at that point she was under 30% to win the election on Polymarket and her odds were falling by the day. By the time the Rogan interview came around she was effectively dead in the water and no one except people in a bubble thought she had any chance. The Rogan interview was a hail mary to get her back in the race. So you're correct - arguing it cost her the election is silly. It was over at that point.
Her policies, and progresive policies in general...are still more popular
Minimum wage increases? More popular
Pro union and labor? More popular
Progressive health care initiatives? More popular
Roe v Wade? More popular
And once again, Trump merely maintained his same support from 2020, in fact lost 3 million votes by comparison. Whereas democratic turnout was low. So considering the popularity of leftist policies, the popular vote had more to do with Trump maintaining his base, and Kamalas not turning out.
This is pure cope. Minimum Wage wasn't even seriously a discussion point this election. Labor unions didn't endorse her so how can you credibly say it was a popular policy? What is "progressive health care"? Roe vs Wade isn't a policy. The ruling that stripped Roe vs Wade was a court case initiated by
Democrats that resulted in the SC saying the Constitution does not guarantee reproductive rights to the Federal Government.
Trump did not "merely maintain his support" from 2020. He increased across all demographics of the electorate. The reason the Democrats are in a panic is because they lost everything. In California 9 counties flipped from blue to red. In NYC, the margin for Trump was less than his margin in Texas and Florida. He gained support in 4 of the boroughs, exception being Staten Island. The fastest growing demographic, Latinos, voted overwhelmingly for Trump. All of the border towns in Texas flipped red. California lost an EC vote and Texas and Florida gained some. Democrats lost the Senate, House, EC, popular vote, and most state legislatives.
Instead of screaming about things on The Coli that don't really matter, you should go outside of this bubble and really find out what's going. To even say something in the face of what's going on shows you really do not have a handle on what is currently occurring in this country. He's the first Republican president to have a mandate in almost 40 years. That says a lot about how majority of this country is feeling right now. Educate yourself.
I know how popular dudes pod is, I’m saying we have a problem if a podcast is determining elections out here.. I mean the hurricane knocking down a lot of Trump country in the Western NC mountains and them being like Biden/Harris and fema did nothing definitely didn’t help her campaign. I’m guessing a lot of those folks weren’t listening to Joe Rogan since they didn’t have power or internet for days upon days. These folks had to listen to local radio. That’s all they had. You can make all the excuses as to why she lost, it’s whatever at this point. Not going on a podcast is not a good enough excuse.
