Joe Montana calls Marino the BOAT qb

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Of course I did because we know how sensitive you will have been regarding Dan Marino in here. Let’s not pretend. If you’re going to have an argument with me, argue with Joe Montana.
As a Brady fan, Marino is absolutely no threat. Mahomes, definitely, Rodgers, maybe, Marino, hell no!! yall are like old ass.boxing fans who refuse to admit that Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson etc..passed up Rocky Marciano in the HW pantheon.
 

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And none of them did that with 120 TDs like Marino did. So of course he is gonna have more picks in that era. There were only 3 40 TD seasond prior to 2000 and Marino had 2 of them. His numbers when he retired were head and shoulders. I aint saying he is GOAT (altough way more folks were saying that in the 90s even without a ring) or perfect. My only point is but you cant look at his numbers like you would look at more modern numbers. Damn near 50 TDs in 1984 is like 70 TD today. If somebody threw 70 TD nobody would trip about them being tied fot 7th in picks.

Montana
Elway
Aikaman
Randall
Etc…

Didn’t have multiple 20 int seasons
 

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As a Brady fan, Marino is absolutely no threat. Mahomes, definitely, Rodgers, maybe, Marino, hell no!! yall are like old ass.boxing fans who refuse to admit that Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson etc..passed up Rocky Marciano in the HW pantheon.
Again… I would love for you to have this argument with Joe Montana.
 

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Has Dan Marino ever threw a ball thar far, in game? If so, I would love to see it. I got a Zoom.meeting soon..give me some time to regather..
 

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Everything has to be nuanced why can‘t people do this??

People are trying to turn this into an old head new head thing when it’s not

Dan Marino was an unbelievable passer and had more physical gifts then Tom Brady

He didn’t win more because his organization let him down

Brady had Bill Belichick who maximized Brady’s career

I’m an older head but I think Adrian Peterson is the greatest RB of all time and I saw Walter, Barry, Eric, Earl, LaDanian, Marshall and Emmitt all run the football

It’s nuanced man
This shyt is some weak as drivel. Shula was a.legendary 2 time SB wnning coach who already had 5 SB trips prior to Dan being drafted..he apparently did nothing for Marino. But Belichick is who.was an utter failure as HC and who is a defensive guy, made Brady?? Hahaha!! We can take every ring away from Brady. He won way more MVPs, way more 2nd place finishes, better catalog of throws, voted 4 times as the No. 1 player by his peers. Five time leader in td passes and 4 time in passing yards. 15 time Pro Bowler. Take the rings away, how is Brady still not an elite QB, historically?? Most pts in a three year span, captained by Brady.
 

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I don't do internet troll debates. His peers think he's great. Sorry that some random dude on a message board disagrees. But you're entitled to your opinion. Carry on.:yeshrug:
Who the fukk are you? Youre random, too. You and your little corny ass sarcasm, can take a walk. My uncle always told me to never trust a man who doesnt respect facts.
 

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This shyt is some weak as drivel. Shula was a.legendary 2 time SB wnning coach who already had 5 SB trips prior to Dan being drafted..he apparently did nothing for Marino. But Belichick is who.was an utter failure as HC and who is a defensive guy, made Brady?? Hahaha!! We can take every ring away from Brady. He won way more MVPs, way more 2nd place finishes, better catalog of throws, voted 4 times as the No. 1 player by his peers. Five time leader in td passes and 4 time in passing yards. 15 time Pro Bowler. Take the rings away, how is Brady still not an elite QB, historically?? Most pts in a three year span, captained by Brady.
:mjlol: :mindblown:

What the hell does what Shula did in Baltimore and earlier with the Dolphins have to do with what HE DID WHEN HE GOT DAN MARINO

He drafted Lorenzo Hampton :what:

He traded Mark Clayton

The defense was not good

What does any of that shyt you just said have to do with how he built the team around Dan Marino??

Tom Brady got drafted by Bill Belichick who built the team correctly around him and Don Shula didn’t
 

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Dont play that shyt now, you literally said they didnt have Winslow(false), and their defense sucked(ranked 2nd). Its all good, though..no harm, no foul.

Yeah, there was a big difference in the Chargers, especially defense, from 79’ to 81’.

Kellen Winslow was still a rookie in 79’ and was yet to revolutionize the TE position. He missed more than half the season. The Chargers had all-Pro John Jefferson though.

They had a highly ranked defense in 79’ and lost in the playoffs to a Houston team missing both Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini. Football reference has Houston as 8 point underdogs

In 80, Winslow emerged as they still had John Jefferson, but their defensive ranking (per points allowed) went from 2 to 18.

Then in 81’, their defensive ranking went all the way down to 26 (of 28 teams). It doesn’t appear the weather would have made a difference, as Cincinnati beat SD in SD in the regular season 48-17. Cincinnati looked like simply a better team.

I know Dan Fouts did place a lot of blame on himself in the Freezer Bowl though, and said Ken Anderson badly outplayed him and said he was impressed at how Ken could throw in that type of cold.

It appears SD’s best chance was 79’ and they blew that one against a badly compromised Houston team.
 

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:mjlol: :mindblown:

What the hell does what Shula did in Baltimore and earlier with the Dolphins have to do with what HE DID WHEN HE GOT DAN MARINO

He drafted Lorenzo Hampton :what:

He traded Mark Clayton

The defense was not good

What does any of that shyt you just said have to do with how he built the team around Dan Marino??

Tom Brady got drafted by Bill Belichick who built the team correctly around him and Don Shula didn’t
These dudes don’t care. You actually have another cat in here blaming Dan Marino for the fish being one dimensional going into the playoffs and not the coaching staff and the front office.

I’m a Yankee fan who watches that one dimensional offense screw them every year since 2010 yet these dudes will be the type would say it’s Aaron Judge fault. :mjlol:

They are also upset at folks, who know Dan Marino had a better arm than Tom Brady.

And they want to be upset at us rather than at Joe Montana who made his statement
 

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:mjlol: :mindblown:

What the hell does what Shula did in Baltimore and earlier with the Dolphins have to do with what HE DID WHEN HE GOT DAN MARINO

He drafted Lorenzo Hampton :what:

He traded Mark Clayton

The defense was not good

What does any of that shyt you just said have to do with how he built the team around Dan Marino??

Tom Brady got drafted by Bill Belichick who built the team correctly around him and Don Shula didn’t
Built around what lol

Tom won a Super Bowl his 2nd year lol

Nobody saw the Pats as contenders

Tom saved Beli from being fired
 

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Dan Marino is considered by many football historians and coaches and one of the best QBs to ever play, and funny enough I do remember the consensus that it was him and Joe Montana as likely the greatest to ever play, which is amazing given the fact that he only played in one SB, which was before my time.

Again, I believe if anyone uses stats as a sole measurement in American football and disregards players, coaching staffs, media during that players career and after; they are just playing Madden.

I’ll say what I said a few posts again regarding Moss - it’s all subjective, no one’s word is God, and certainly I’m a “nobody” on a message board, but I can call Hall of Famers and Top 100 All Time NFL players and coaches RIGHT now and talk to them (just due to my former job, I’m nobody special) - so I’ve already heard there discussions on this stuff since I was a teenager, and it was more listening and watching then watching him in his prime because I’m old, but not really as self aware of the intricacies of football in 80s/90s.
 

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Built around what lol

Tom won a Super Bowl his 2nd year lol

Nobody saw the Pats as contenders

Tom saved Beli from being fired
Tom Brady didn’t even start the entire season of his second year
 

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Built around what lol

Tom won a Super Bowl his 2nd year lol

Nobody saw the Pats as contenders

Tom saved Beli from being fired
Listen it takes two

The stars have to completely align for us to see GREATNESS

We could do this all day

Where would Joe Montana be without Bill Walsh?

Where would Brett Favre be without Mike Holmgren?

Where would Patrick Mahomes be without Andy Reid?
 
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