Joe Manchin: I won’t vote for For The People Act or Weaken/Eliminate Filibuster!

[AquaCityBoy]

I don't think Manchin is colluding with anyone. He's focused on one thing: keeping his seat in a red state Trump won by damn near 40 points. He couldn't care less about voting rights because it doesn't impact the (white) people he's concerned about in his state, so why stick his neck out.

Nope.

He's already said he's fine with getting voted out, and he's 74, so this is probably his last term anyway. And even if it wasn't, GOP voter suppression would hurt him too, probably the worst in that red state that Trump won by 40 points.

No, he does not care about keeping that seat, or what those West Virginia constituents want. I don't know how many times I have to say this. He already got exposed begging his donors to pressure Republicans to vote for the 1/6 commission, all so he could champion bipartisanship and keep the filibuster in place.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Nope.

He's already said he's fine with getting voted out, and he's 74, so this is probably his last term anyway. And even if it wasn't, GOP voter suppression would hurt him too, probably the worst in that red state that Trump won by 40 points.

No, he does not care about keeping that seat, or what those West Virginia constituents want. I don't know how many times I have to say this. He already got exposed begging his donors to pressure Republicans to vote for the 1/6 commission, all so he could champion bipartisanship and keep the filibuster in place.

I mean he supports the filibuster in full, I get that. But I disagree on your other points. Voter suppression doesn't hurt him at all given that the voters who support him also tend to support republicans. He doesn't have some big urban city in his state that he needs a certain amount of votes from in order to win. He's winning across the state, was a successful governor before joining the senate, etc. He's good.

The danger for him is in being seen as a supporter of radical leftist shyt. And this voter bill has become "radical leftist shyt" in the eyes of republicans. So I get why he's doing this. My only problem is that he's allowed to bullshyt and lie by the media. He hasn't delivered on any of his promises of bipartisanship this year. Republicans shyt canned the 1/6 commission and shyt canned his voter compromise less than 24 hours after he revealed it. Yet he doesn't get it. Or maybe he does, and it doesn't matter because like I said...he will never end the filibuster.

 

[mastermind]

I mean he supports the filibuster in full, I get that. But I disagree on your other points. Voter suppression doesn't hurt him at all given that the voters who support him also tend to support republicans. He doesn't have some big urban city in his state that he needs a certain amount of votes from in order to win. He's winning across the state, was a successful governor before joining the senate, etc. He's good.

The danger for him is in being seen as a supporter of radical leftist shyt. And this voter bill has become "radical leftist shyt" in the eyes of republicans. So I get why he's doing this. My only problem is that he's allowed to bullshyt and lie by the media. He hasn't delivered on any of his promises of bipartisanship this year. Republicans shyt canned the 1/6 commission and shyt canned his voter compromise less than 24 hours after he revealed it. Yet he doesn't get it. Or maybe he does, and it doesn't matter because like I said...he will never end the filibuster.

He doesn't care about his voters or voting rights. He is only interested to protecting his current and future bag.

Listen to the audio. He isn't colluding with anyone but the money people. It's why he is protecting the filibuster.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Can you really blame them at this point, I’m going to voting third party going forward for the most part, but we also don’t know how these non voters would actually vote, or their reasons why. I suspect a lot of it is having no interest in politics, busy working just to survive, not having time to vote or simply not giving a fukk either way. I would be interested in knowing the specific reasons of the huge amount of non voters.

No I can't. I don't know the percentages either but if all those just dissatisfied with the system whether it be from an adminatrative, ethical or some other standard voted third party we could actually get these losers to the table to do something for their constituents.

 

[Hood Critic]

Only thing democrats can do is focus on things they CAN do with Manchin, and hope those things result in dems keeping the house and gaining enough seats in the senate

Is this serious?

The Democrats can't get ANYTHING done with the filibuster in place, so what kind of good will are they going to build with their voters spending the next 3 years in "negotiations"? Not to mention that if they don't do something about voting rights now, the Dems statistically won't hold House majority for years because of redistricting and gerrymandering.

Why do you all think this whole charade is such a big deal? For those very reasons.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Is this serious?

The Democrats can't get ANYTHING done with the filibuster in place, so what kind of good will are they going to build with their voters spending the next 3 years in "negotiations"? Not to mention that if they don't do something about voting rights now, the Dems statistically won't hold House majority for years because of redistricting and gerrymandering.

Why do you all think this whole charade is such a big deal? For those very reasons.

They can pass an infrastructure bill via reconciliation. It's clear the bipartisan negotiations are going to fail, at which point Shumer will focus on reconciliation. Manchin got his show. He failed. Now it's time to get serious and pass something. As I said I'm sure he'll whittle a lot of liberal shyt out of it, but he's on record saying 2T is fine. This is literally the only thing democrats can do before the midterms. Nothing else - voting rights, guns, etc - matters.

 

[mastermind]

They can pass an infrastructure bill via reconciliation. It's clear the bipartisan negotiations are going to fail, at which point Shumer will focus on reconciliation. Manchin got his show. He failed. Now it's time to get serious and pass something. As I said I'm sure he'll whittle a lot of liberal shyt out of it, but he's on record saying 2T is fine. This is literally the only thing democrats can do before the midterms. Nothing else - voting rights, guns, etc - matters.

Family, this isn't a game. I feel like you think what's happening is like a video game or a movie, but this is serious as fukk. The Dems could have no majority for a decade if they don't pass something this summer.

 

[Pressure]

Is this serious?

The Democrats can't get ANYTHING done with the filibuster in place, so what kind of good will are they going to build with their voters spending the next 3 years in "negotiations"? Not to mention that if they don't do something about voting rights now, the Dems statistically won't hold House majority for years because of redistricting and gerrymandering.

Why do you all think this whole charade is such a big deal? For those very reasons.

Getting rid of the filibuster doesn't magically put dems over 50 votes.

If they had more seats I think it makes more sense, but right now the same people holding up filibuster reform would also hold up other progressive initiatives.

And we'd still be having the same conversations

 

[Hood Critic]

Getting rid of the filibuster doesn't magically put dems over 50 votes.

If they had more seats I think it makes more sense, but right now the same people holding up filibuster reform would also hold up other progressive initiatives.

And we'd still be having the same conversations

Voting rights is more important than everything right now, if thats the only thing that can get accomplished, I'm good with that.

 

[Pressure]

Voting rights is more important than everything right now, if thats the only thing that can get accomplished, I'm good with that.

I agree.

Ironically, passing voting rights legislation would probably force Republicans to the table.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Why do I feel like Republicans would stomp out a guy like Manchin?

They seem to stay on code always besides Romney and some others regarding Trump.

 

[Mook]

Why do I feel like Republicans would stomp out a guy like Manchin?

They seem to stay on code always besides Romney and some others regarding Trump.

Romney stayed on code too. They needed someone to step out and show the moderates that republicans weren't completely crazy.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

At least in other countries, it’s a paper bag with stacks of cash, and people move to do dirt. They get caught in in developing countries, and their bloodline gets removed from Earth.

In America, our corruption is institutionalized. And if they do something brazen, it’s kinda shrugged off depending on where they are on the power charts. In a lot of ways, that is worse.

I mean I guess some countries move like that, but in the VAST majority the idea of "getting caught" for corruption is just a tool that one corrupt faction uses as a weapon against another corrupt faction. And there are countries where the corruption is perfectly institutionalized at the very highest levels of power with zero capacity for reform or pushback (Thailand is one such example off the top of my head). The people hardly even care anymore, at least not the majority.

 

[mastermind]

I mean I guess some countries move like that, but in the VAST majority the idea of "getting caught" for corruption is just a tool that one corrupt faction uses as a weapon against another corrupt faction. And there are countries where the corruption is perfectly institutionalized at the very highest levels of power with zero capacity for reform or pushback (Thailand is one such example off the top of my head). The people hardly even care anymore, at least not the majority.

Yeah, like the USA.

 

[FAH1223]