Joe Manchin: I won’t vote for For The People Act or Weaken/Eliminate Filibuster!

[FAH1223]

McConnell must be so happy

 

[Pressure]

I don't think the sky is falling but I think whoever said he supported it when it had no chance of passing hit it on the head. There is no down side politically to do that. You can get the optics of supporting it but then also know it has no chance to pass. Now that Democrats, if they wanted to, can pull the levers to get this shyt passed by getting rid of the filibuster and pass it with a simple majority, now there are concerns.

Its not a simple case of being wishy washy and just doing what he feels like in the moment without any consistency. The consistency is that Manchin and whatever cowardly silent Democratic coalition he has backing him and willing to let him take all the punches may want this on paper but they don't want it bad enough to do everything that needs to be done to get it passed.

Its politics and politics is the art of BS. Democratic voters are being toyed with right now and the media is constantly feeding them the intended narrative to play them which is that if it wasn't just for 1 or 2 people, this would pass. Again, several folks are saying he isn't alone. He is out there on purpose to distract folks and draw all their fire while other Democratic senators who support him can be protected from political pushback. The reality is that Manchin is not in danger of losing his seat to a more liberal member of the party so he can take all the attacks and not suffer any political consequences.

The issue at hand seems to be that while some of these initiatives are popular there is a more mixed message on support for abolishing the filibuster.

If we look at support for initiatives and the desire to keep/change/abolish the filibuster the message seems clear that Americans want nice things and want them to be done in a bipartisan way.

Only 30% of Dems want to completely abolish the filibuster.

One-third of Americans approve (34%) and one-third disapprove (34%) of the filibuster when it is described as a procedure used in the Senate to block a bill from being put to a vote until a supermajority of 60 senators agree to end debate. Another third (33%), though, have no opinion either way. A majority of Republicans (61%) approve of the filibuster and just 13% disapprove of it. Only 9% of Democrats approve of the filibuster, while a majority (54%) disapprove. Independents are relatively more divided between approve (38%) and disapprove (30%).

“As with everything else in American politics, opinion on the filibuster is subject to a sharp partisan divide. However, there is a sizable chunk of the public that hasn’t really given it a lot of thought,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Nearly 4 in 10 Americans (38%) want to keep the filibuster in its current form with no changes, while a majority either think the Senate should reform how it can be used (38%) or get rid of it entirely (19%). Most Democrats would like to see some changes, including 49% who want reforms and 30% who want it eliminated entirely. Just 14% of Democrats want to leave the filibuster as is. Nearly two-thirds (64%) of Republicans think the filibuster should not be changed at all while about one-third are open to either some reforms (22%) or elimination (10%). Four in ten (41%) independents want the filibuster kept as is, 38% are in favor of reform, and 16% prefer elimination.

 

[mastermind]

McConnell must be so happy

Happier than if he stole candy from a baby

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[AquaCityBoy]

No, this is a flat-out lie, and there are receipts.

Several of his own constituents wrote a letter saying they wanted a $15 minimum wage, which Manchin was against.

Manchin's own Republican governor said he wanted a big stimulus, even though Manchin tried (and succeeded in some cases) to get the bill watered down.

I just posted polling that showed even a majority of Republicans in West Virginia want the For the People Act passed, even though Manchin said he would block it.

Liberals are dumb as shyt. Joe Manchin does not care about his constituents. He cares about his donors.
Imagine being such a shytlib that you tell blatant lies to for Joe fukking Manchin of all people.

 

[Pressure]

No, this is a flat-out lie, and there are receipts.

Several of his own constituents wrote a letter saying they wanted a $15 minimum wage, which Manchin was against.

Manchin's own Republican governor said he wanted a big stimulus, even though Manchin tried (and succeeded in some cases) to get the bill watered down.

I just posted polling that showed even a majority of Republicans in West Virginia want the For the People Act passed, even though Manchin said he would block it.

Liberals are dumb as shyt. Joe Manchin does not care about his constituents. He cares about his donors.
Imagine being such a shytlib that you tell blatant lies to for Joe fukking Manchin of all people.

Is it a flat out lie when they voted for a senator, house reps, and a president who don't support 15/hr min wage?

 

[Micky Mikey]

So basically American Democracy is at risk, partly due to some uneducated & backward thinking hicks in West Virginia!?

Yeah.....I think its safe to say this country is pretty much fukked at this point. I don't think people understand what's at stake here. If Republican voter suppression efforts work there is a high probability that America will be governed by one political party.

 

[wire28]

Is it a flat out lie when they voted for a senator, house reps, and a president who don't support 15/hr min wage?

Yes

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Is it a flat out lie when they voted for a senator, house reps, and a president who don't support 15/hr min wage?

You only vote for people who support 100% of your views?

 

[Dr. Acula]

The issue at hand seems to be that while some of these initiatives are popular there is a more mixed message on support for abolishing the filibuster.

If we look at support for initiatives and the desire to keep/change/abolish the filibuster the message seems clear that Americans want nice things and want them to be done in a bipartisan way.

Only 30% of Dems want to completely abolish the filibuster.

That is perfectly fine but it wouldn't be incorrect to say then that to them maintaining the filibuster is a higher priority than voting rights protection. Up to the individual to determine if that is an acceptable stance however. A lot of people feel it's not.

Also, in your source they said 33 percent had no opinion so it's not a majority of people who support keeping it.

Even further its a greater insult because democrats, the people who put them in power, taken alone, are overwhelming for removing or revamping per your source. SO, they can't even hide behind just doing what polls tell them. In short, majority of Americans at least are ambivalent to filibuster reform and then when just talking to Democrats, they don't care about bipartisanship, they want reform. This is outright insulting then from their perspective that their own party is spitting in their face and dragging their feet in passing things they desire.

Again, is it unreasonable to develop cynicism towards this whole system when the people who got in power based on your votes practically spit in your face?

 

[Pressure]

That is perfectly fine but it wouldn't be incorrect to say then that to them maintaining the filibuster is a higher priority than voting rights protection. Up to the individual to determine if that is an acceptable stance however. A lot of people feel it's not.

Also, in your source they said 33 percent had no opinion so it's not a majority of people who support keeping it.

Even further its a greater insult because democrats, the people who put them in power, taken alone, are overwhelming for removing or revamping per your source. SO, they can't even hide behind just doing what polls tell them. In short, majority of Americans at least are ambivalent to filibuster reform and then when just talking to Democrats, they don't care about bipartisanship, they want reform. This is outright insulting then from their perspective that their own party is spitting in their face and dragging their feet in passing things they desire.

Again, is it unreasonable to develop cynicism towards this whole system when the people who got in power based on your votes practically spit in your face?

You're moving a whole lot of goal post.

The point remains it isn't inconsistent from a constituency perspective to support SR1 and also be opposed to not nuking the filibuster to do so.

 

[Pressure]

You only vote for people who support 100% of your views?

Isn't that what you're arguing for?

 

[wire28]

You only vote for people who support 100% of your views?

You don’t?

-the coli, higher learning

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Isn't that what you're arguing for?

No, that's what you're arguing for, because fukk them, if they really wanted it, they should have voted for somebody else, right?

 

[Pressure]

No, that's what you're arguing for, because fukk them, if they really wanted it, they should have voted for somebody else, right?

We're talking about Joe Biden's legislative agenda right?

An agenda west Virginians overwhelmy voted against in the previous election?

Further didn't Joe Manchin run and win on this bipartisan schtick?