Joe Biden selects Senator Kamala Harris as his VP Pick

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm not sold at all that the 2024 Democratic nominee has to be the 2020 VP. I see no reason why there can't be another Democratic primary in 2024. I think it's much more important to the Democratic Party (and the country) to have the Biden administration actually do the work of putting in place policies to fix the myriad structural issues that have led to this fukked up situation. Otherwise, the VP from a do-nothing Biden administration that will be facing strong headwinds and apathy as the Republican nominee (accurately) paints them as not up to the task. In fact, for the party's sake, I hope a do-nothing VP would be challenged and defeated in the 2024 primary by someone who actually wants to govern. Let's re-roll 1968.

Uh, dems don’t have a strong bench, we’re looking at a lukewarm 2024 and therefore it makes sense to pick a VP who can be a strong contender. Biden as president was always a placeholder, that doesn’t mean everyone in his administration are complacent placeholders. Kamala had no clue how to brand herself this year, having 4 years under Biden to build a more solid brand would do her wonders, she’s just has too much juice in the party, whether you hate or love her, to let her fall to the wayside. If he were open to men, Julio or Cory would’ve been my picks.

And even if not looking to 2024, warren is still old now to be next in line if Biden croaked. That’s literally my only knock against her as VP, I don’t think her age gives people any sense of relief

 

[King Kreole]

Uh, dems don’t have a strong bench, we’re looking at a lukewarm 2024 and therefore it makes sense to pick a VP who can be a strong contender. Biden as president was always a placeholder, that doesn’t mean everyone in his administration are complacent placeholders. Kamala had no clue how to brand herself this year, having 4 years under Biden to build a more solid brand would do her wonders, she’s just has too much juice in the party, whether you hate or love her, to let her fall to the wayside. If he were open to men, Julio or Cory would’ve been my picks.

And even if not looking to 2024, warren is still old now to be next in line if Biden croaked. That’s literally my only knock against her as VP, I don’t think her age gives people any sense of relief

Dems will have 4 years to build a bench. 4 years for new voices that aren't even on the scene yet, and some that just arrived. I think it's premature to right now be determining the composition of the Executive branch for the next 12 years (assuming the "young" VP runs for re-election). You're right, Biden is a placeholder, but that means there should be intra-party activity and growth taking place beneath the surface of his "leadership", not locking the party into Bidenism for the next decade. I'm not even saying I'm anti-Kamala 2024 if she's chosen as Biden's VP, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a coronation. If she does a great job in her role as his VP, builds her brand and wants to run in 2024, then great, she would be the presumptive front-runner. But if a Biden-Harris administration fukks up, I say run the primary. As a general rule, I believe primaries are good and healthy.

Plus, there's really no strong historical precedent for VPs being coronated as the nominee, unchallenged. Gore cakewalked in 2000, but HW got a fair challenge from Dole in '88. Hell, Ted Kennedy gave sitting-President Carter a robust challenge in '80, same with McCarthy and sitting-President Johnson in '68 which caused Johnson to withdraw. Reagan took sitting-President Ford to the convention floor in '76.

I want Liz to be the VP because she's the only one I'm confident is up to the task of governing, but also because I believe good Democratic governance over the next 4 years will make it easier for the Democratic nominee - whoever that may be - to win in 2024. I'm not even sold on that candidate being VP Warren, I just don't want the 2024 nominee to be saddled with the baggage of a do-nothing Biden administration.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I just don't want the 2024 nominee to be saddled with the baggage of a do-nothing Biden administration.

This is where we disagree. Most people aren’t expecting crazy change from a Biden presidency, he’s literally expected to restore honor to the office, hopefully get a couple SCOTUS picks, and undo some of trump’s dumb decisions. I personally wouldn’t hold Biden’s “return to normalcy” presidency against someone who came out of his administration if they show a bigger vision for 2024 onward.

 

[King Kreole]

This is where we disagree. Most people aren’t expecting crazy change from a Biden presidency, he’s literally expected to restore honor to the office, hopefully get a couple SCOTUS picks, and undo some of trump’s dumb decisions. I personally wouldn’t hold Biden’s “return to normalcy” presidency against someone who came out of his administration if they show a bigger vision for 2024 onward.

I think the country is collapsing due to decades-long structural rot caused by active right-wing measures to kneecap the capabilities of a healthy civic state and Democratic inattention driven by consumer-cosmetic politics. Biden's "return to normalcy", if not just a political marketing ploy veiling actual effective governance, is simply prolonging the death-rattle. I don't think most people are expecting the appearance of crazy change from a Biden presidency, but they will sure as hell punish Biden (and anyone attached to him) if "crazy change" doesn't actually take place while they're losing their homes and jobs and can't get healthcare and we continue to slide into hell. I don't think Biden will be able to hide for very long behind "...well at least we're restoring the honor of the office" if things don't dramatically change at a structural level, especially if Trump is out of the paint and there's a clean-cut, "responsible" looking Republican like Hawley leading the charge against Biden and his VP. It's the Obama playbook, and it led to the Democratic Party under Obama getting its ass kicked.

The patient is suffocating, don't have 4 years to drive to the hospital, an emergency tracheotomy is needed for survival. Elizabeth Warren is the only surgeon who has the experience and willingness to perform it. Don't fukk this up, Joe.

 

[Copy Ninja]

Still nuts that he's gonna pick a candidate who attacked him for being a racist just a few months ago

Looking back at those debates it was nuts how a lot of them attacked Biden for simply being part of Obama's administration

 

[A.R.$]

I think the country is collapsing due to decades-long structural rot caused by active right-wing measures to kneecap the capabilities of a healthy civic state and Democratic inattention driven by consumer-cosmetic politics. Biden's "return to normalcy", if not just a political marketing ploy veiling actual effective governance, is simply prolonging the death-rattle. I don't think most people are expecting the appearance of crazy change from a Biden presidency, but they will sure as hell punish Biden (and anyone attached to him) if "crazy change" doesn't actually take place while they're losing their homes and jobs and can't get healthcare and we continue to slide into hell. I don't think Biden will be able to hide for very long behind "...well at least we're restoring the honor of the office" if things don't dramatically change at a structural level, especially if Trump is out of the paint and there's a clean-cut, "responsible" looking Republican like Hawley leading the charge against Biden and his VP. It's the Obama playbook, and it led to the Democratic Party under Obama getting its ass kicked.

The patient is suffocating, don't have 4 years to drive to the hospital, an emergency tracheotomy is needed for survival. Elizabeth Warren is the only surgeon who has the experience and willingness to perform it. Don't fukk this up, Joe.

I agree with most of your post. Biden return to normalcy won’t last very long, and I don’t think he will have much of a honeymoon. The only thing I disagree with is that Liz have to be the choice. This was the year for Liz to bust through. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and we are stuck with this less than ideal situation. I would be shocked if Liz is the pick for two reasons. First it is not a good look to have a nominee and his VP both being in their 70s. Wallstreet still dislike Liz.

I’m already prepared be disappointed with the VP choice.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

Biden/Kamala and call it a day. If it weren't for Covid and the economy crashing, I would say Trump would probably be getting another 4 years. But everybody is over this year and completely exhausted which means they will blame the status quo. Biden/Kamala represents a return to normalcy with a "safe" dose of diversity, and paves the way for more progressive policies in the future.

 

[King Kreole]

I agree with most of your post. Biden return to normalcy won’t last very long, and I don’t think he will have much of a honeymoon. The only thing I disagree with is that Liz have to be the choice. This was the year for Liz to bust through. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and we are stuck with this less than ideal situation. I would be shocked if Liz is the pick for two reasons. First it is not a good look to have a nominee and his VP both being in their 70s. Wallstreet still dislike Liz.

I’m already prepared be disappointed with the VP choice.

Same. The country in which Donald Trump becomes President is not the country in which someone like Elizabeth Warren gains power. America will receive the government it deserves.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Still nuts that he's gonna pick a candidate who attacked him for being a racist just a few months ago

Looking back at those debates it was nuts how a lot of them attacked Biden for simply being part of Obama's administration

That entire primary was pathetic. I get attacking the front runner but they went so far left they decided to shyt on Obama. Which allowed Biden to simply say “Obama was cool” and win lol. People love Obama. Democrats really love Obama. This should have been obvious but the “smart” people running those campaigns thought otherwise.

 

[the cac mamba]

yeah, biden's VP is definitely gonna have to win in '24 on their own

i can see kamala doing that. she just needs the credibility of that white house experience, and to be real visible for the 4 years. it could be hers for the taking if she establishes herself

 

[King Static X]

That entire primary was pathetic. I get attacking the front runner but they went so far left they decided to shyt on Obama. Which allowed Biden to simply say “Obama was cool” and win lol. People love Obama. Democrats really love Obama. This should have been obvious but the “smart” people running those campaigns thought otherwise.

Progressives hate Obama because he "droned innocent civilians in the Middle East" and he "sold us out to corporations"

 

[Json]

yeah, biden's VP is definitely gonna have to win in '24 on their own

i can see kamala doing that. she just needs the credibility of that white house experience, and to be real visible for the 4 years. it could be hers for the taking if she establishes herself

The Dems in 2024 are going to have the blowback of whatever comes from Biden and team having to undo Trump’s damage.

The Dems got punished for giving healthcare and the Wall Street bailout under Obama.

If Biden only gets one term, the Dem nomineee will have to make the case all over not to give the Reps power again.

Kamala hasn’t really proved she can lead a movement by clearly explaining her ideas.

 

[the cac mamba]

The Dems in 2024 are going to have the blowback of whatever comes from Biden and team having to undo Trump’s damage.

The Dems got punished for giving healthcare and the Wall Street bailout under Obama.

If Biden only gets one term, the Dem nomineee will have to make the case all over not to give the Reps power again.

Kamala hasn’t really proved she can lead a movement by clearly explaining her ideas.

well she'll have 4 years to get ready plus have the familiarity factor

and hopefully in 2024 dems are running on the virus going away

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

yeah, biden's VP is definitely gonna have to win in '24 on their own

i can see kamala doing that. she just needs the credibility of that white house experience, and to be real visible for the 4 years. it could be hers for the taking if she establishes herself

If Biden wins and Kamala is VP, I can definitely see her coasting to a *primary* win in 2024. The Dem base likes supporting whoever "has next", and Kamala would clearly be the next in line. But I also can see a Trump II winning in 2024 if the next 4 years are lackluster.

 

[the cac mamba]

If Biden wins and Kamala is VP, I can definitely see her coasting to a *primary* win in 2024. The Dem base likes supporting whoever "has next", and Kamala would clearly be the next in line. But I also can see a Trump II winning in 2024 if the next 4 years are lackluster.

nah, a trump 2 wont win. by 2024 theyll have to appeal to a much wider range of people than 2016

a moderate rethug can win; another trump cant