Joe Biden selects Senator Kamala Harris as his VP Pick

[Warren Moon]

Sure, but where is the polling/proof showing that Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams or Val Demings are more popular amongst the black electorate than Joe Biden? He beat Harris amongst black voters in the primary, Demings is pretty much unknown, and I think reporting has shown that Abrams is unpopular amongst the black political establishment.


The turnout point is correct, but which black female politician has shown they can juice turnout beyond what Biden can do on his own? You yourself just said the black vote strategically picked Biden because they think he's the best chance to beat Trump, so I'm not exactly seeing where the reservations about Biden would be coming from now that he's won the nomination. I could see the anxiety coming from the fact that the Clintons ran deep with the Black community but Hillary wasn't able to get the turnout she needed, but Biden is already shoring up Hillary's soft spots - namely WWC men and suburban women - that I don't see the Black community as his most unstable constituency. He literally just won the nomination on the back of the black vote.


All unknowns.

I know black women that will stand in the rain for 48 hours just to vote for a black woman vp.


Kamala will decrease the turnout of black male voters imo.

I think an unknown is great. U can shape her image to be what’s needed

 

[King Kreole]

I know black women that will stand in the rain for 48 hours just to vote for a black woman vp.


Kamala will decrease the turnout of black male voters imo.

I think an unknown is great. U can shape her image to be what’s needed

But are those black women going to sit out the election otherwise? Black women are the most consistent and loyal constituency in the Democratic party, and Joe already got the checkmark from the black community during the primary. Black women are perhaps the least necessary constituency for Joe to court.

I agree that unknowns can be a good thing because they can be shaped, but that's a different argument than saying they can juice turnout. Who is getting off the couch and going to vote because Val Demings told them to?

 

[The ADD]

Sure, but where is the polling/proof showing that Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams or Val Demings are more popular amongst the black electorate than Joe Biden? He beat Harris amongst black voters in the primary, Demings is pretty much unknown, and I think reporting has shown that Abrams is unpopular amongst the black political establishment. I could see this argument being used in support of picking Michelle Obama, but there is no other golden bullet black woman out there.


The turnout point is correct, but which black female politician has shown they can juice turnout beyond what Biden can do on his own? You yourself just said the black vote strategically picked Biden because they think he's the best chance to beat Trump, so I'm not exactly seeing where the reservations about Biden would be coming from now that he's won the nomination. I could see the anxiety coming from the fact that the Clintons ran deep with the Black community but Hillary wasn't able to get the turnout she needed, but Biden is already shoring up Hillary's soft spots - namely WWC men and suburban women - that I don't see the Black community as his most unstable constituency. He literally just won the nomination on the back of the black vote. I agree with Clyburn, a black woman is not a must for Biden.


All unknowns.

You are looking at it through the wrong filter. It’s not about a black female candidate outpacing Joe in that demographic. It’s about them increasing the level of enthusiasm and turnout being on the ticket. The Obama’s can help ensure that on any of the black female candidates and I think to some degree for Warren as well. I don’t think they can get Klobachur over that threshold.

 

[Warren Moon]

But are those black women going to sit out the election otherwise? Black women are the most consistent and loyal constituency in the Democratic party, and Joe already got the checkmark from the black community during the primary. Black women are perhaps the least necessary constituency for Joe to court.

I agree that unknowns can be a good thing because they can be shaped, but that's a different argument than saying they can juice turnout. Who is getting off the couch and going to vote because Val Demings told them to?

I don't see another BW besides Michelle Obama that would increase turnout more than her

 

[the cac mamba]

I am sorry, if he’s planning on white women showing loyalty to white Democratic woman over a Republican man he’s going to have a hard time.

i dont think this is true

hillary being the #1, is different than a woman being VP. shes like the wife in a way its pretty obvious that a woman is gonna have to be vp before actual president

and trump is losing suburban women badly, thats just a fact

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

If you guys base your vote for Biden on who he picks for VP then you’re a bunch of fekkits

enjoy four more years of the kkk administration because you couldn’t deal with “copmala” or “Pocahontas” or “Karen” being on the ticket. Can’t satisfy everyone in here because someone else gon get mad.

bernie bro’s already aggy because he isn’t the nominee and have made bidens life a living hell on twitter.

 

[Uncle Phil 36]

Aside from Bernie, theres no VP candidate that is gonna seriously turn out the vote. People don't vote for VPs.

Let's be real, its not like whoever gets picked will even have a chance at being elected in 2024

 

[Foxmulder]

Kamala will decrease the turnout of black male voters imo.

I don’t believe this shyt all. You mean to tell me after 4 years of this shyt show black males are gonna say fukk it I’m staying home because of the VP choice?

 

[The ADD]

Aside from Bernie, theres no VP candidate that is gonna seriously turn out the vote. People don't vote for VPs.

Let's be real, its not like whoever gets picked will even have a chance at being elected in 2024

That’s just false, Veeps have often been picked to help with specific voting demographics. They aren’t the end all but they matter.

 

[King Kreole]

You are looking at it through the wrong filter. It’s not about a black female candidate outpacing Joe in that demographic. It’s about them increasing the level of enthusiasm and turnout being on the ticket. The Obama’s can help ensure that on any of the black female candidates and I think to some degree for Warren as well. I don’t think they can get Klobachur over that threshold.

I totally agree that enthusiasm is a very useful factor in picking Biden's VP, I just don't see any of the black women being mentioned as being uniquely capable of generating more enthusiasm in the black community than Biden already brings by being at the top of the ticket. Amy has negative charisma so I agree with you on her being a bad choice. If it goes to a black woman, I think it would be based on her bringing general enthusiasm, not her being a key to driving black turnout.

 

[Warren Moon]

I don’t believe this shyt all. You mean to tell me after 4 years of this shyt show black males are gonna say fukk it I’m staying home because of the VP choice?

I mean that’s one of trumps leaked strategies. Converting black male blue collar workers in the Midwest to trump.
Idk if I used the right word.

I don’t think their increased turnout would be as high with Kamala as the black vp.

 

[The ADD]

I totally agree that enthusiasm is a very useful factor in picking Biden's VP, I just don't see any of the black women being mentioned as being uniquely capable of generating more enthusiasm in the black community than Biden already brings by being at the top of the ticket. Amy has negative charisma so I agree with you on her being a bad choice. If it goes to a black woman, I think it would be based on her bringing general enthusiasm, not her being a key to driving black turnout.

We are on the same page

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I feel like he handicapped himself with this woman shyt. None of those women are natural leaders imo. And none have real star power. I don't like any of them. And Kamala and her white husband aint gonna bring black voters out.

 

[the next guy]

There's no evidence Klobuchar can get these voters outside of Minnesota and also no evidence that a lot these white voters are ditching Trump. Plus Biden should already be getting these voters. The best strategy for Biden is maximizing minority turnout, which is why I think a black VP is the best choice.

Biden's current poll numbers show those white voters are leaving trump. Why not keep them.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I still think he should pick Pressley but will pick Amy. wait and see