Jinder, Alexa, and Braun out here killing "wwe cant make new stars" mythyos

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Let me be clear

A star is different from a draw or someone who draws money

A star is someone the crowd is engaged in, good or bad...someone they care about. Bobby Roode is a star in NXT...because he matters. Nakamura is on SD but he hasn't drawn money yet.

Jinder, bliss, and Strowman are 3 of newest stars in WWE, and the crowd and fans watching are engaged in what they do. Their ability to draw money or grow the business is independent of that.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Braun is benefitting from idiot fans unreasonable hate of Roman. Even though they are doing a great job of doing kayfabe strength displays he's benefitting mostly from just being able to beat up Roman and get nothing but cheers. We'll see how they handle him with Brock.

Alexa is okay, but i feel like she's overrated. nikkas acting like they never seen a basic heel female wrestler. That's really all she is. She not that great. If anything she benefits from the current landscape of the women's divisions. Like there really wasn't any reason to put the belt on her on RAW so soon. They still have Nia just sitting around collecting dust. She's the one that needs to have a monster run with the belt.

- Again, Braun was getting pops long before Reigns came along. He was even getting pops vs Sami Zayn. Crowds love seeing complete destruction, and Braun has been providing that long before this the Reigns feud.

- Agree about them putting the belt on her too fast, but what exactly what Bayley doing with it? Alexa's mic skills far exceed every other woman on the roster outside of Mickie and Sasha (as a heel), so that's why Alexa gets the reactions she gets. Sure, she ain't shyt in the ring, but Bayley, Naomi, and Becky all walked her through some fairly solid matches. She's a very nice heel and does everything to try to be a heel and not a "cool heel". Not sure what makes her overrated, as not a single person as acted like she's '96 Dean Malenko in the ring.

 

[Hey_zeus]

Agree with those saying Alexa is getting too much too soon. She's not Charlotte in ring skill, name, or stature. She is good on the Mic when you consider Mickie James is probably the only one comparable in that department in this current division. Not saying much imo. She still as green as a baby poop. But WWE has done a great job of making her look credible.

 

[Da King]

Let me be clear

A star is different from a draw or someone who draws money

this idiot then doesn't know what a star is, this shyt is all FAKE, if you're not a draw and putting more money in the company's pocket, it doesn't mean shyt

 

[Kang Deezy]

Alexa is no where near being Charlotte

was there a reason to keep it on Bayley?

Bayley will get it back they are trying to stretch the Sasha bayley feud out

 

[Bryan Danielson]

braun strowman
Alexa bliss
Jinder mahal (his new stardom)

All new showcased, home grown, and over as hell, this year

Why isnt this being applauded?

Because it's still too early.

This is "Ryback/Rusev vs Cena or Nathan Jones" hype status for right now.

Let's see where they stand come me Mania next year.

Hell let's see where they stand even come Survivor series.

If Jinder is high on the card at Mania then it's fair to say this was a success. But if he back to opening preshow dark match status.

Then there is nothing I discuss.

Braun I will admit is an anomaly..... but he's really only just taking that voided spot held for so many years by Taker, Show, Kane, Henry


Martha

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Let me be clear

A star is different from a draw or someone who draws money

A star is someone the crowd is engaged in, good or bad...someone they care about. Bobby Roode is a star in NXT...because he matters. Nakamura is on SD but he hasn't drawn money yet.

Jinder, bliss, and Strowman are 3 of newest stars in WWE, and the crowd and fans watching are engaged in what they do. Their ability to draw money or grow the business is independent of that.

That's a pretty loose definition of a "star"

In the "WWE can't create new stars" talking point you're arguing against, people are talking about legitimate STARS (Austin/Rock/Cena). Nobody has ever argued that WWE can't take a career jobber and shoehorn them into a main event feud if they want to. So I don't really see the point.

 

[John Reena]

Da overrating of Alexa Bliss continues.

She cool.....but she ain't beasting like Jinder n Braun doing with they opportunities.

 

[dh86]

That would be the dumbest thing they've done in recent history.

India is the only emerging Asian market that's really into wrestling and airs on a major network in India. WWE airs on PPTV (the equivalent of a ESPN app) in China. Japan will support products made by their own before anything else. I think WWE got dropped on J-Sports (a pay sports channel) in Japan. Even UFC can't get a deal on TV over there.

There's a ton of stories they can do with Jinder. They can make him look like a hero to all of the brown folk. White people will hate him forever, just because he's brown.

What haven't they tried with Randy? He's been an unhinged psycho, he's been the preening pretty boy, he's been the smiling, corny joke telling guy, he's been a corporate lackey. He's been champion multiple times. He's tried to reinvent himself several times, and he still gets tepid reactions. If he wins again - what is there to do with him? A story with Rusev as the despicable foreigner at MITB? Why even go down that road when Jinder's already succeeding in that role?

I imagine Jinder being a stand in for Rusev the entire time. It would do WWE well and not to assume that fans in India are slow and dont know that Jinder has been a jobber for years.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

That's a pretty loose definition of a "star"

In the "WWE can't create new stars" talking point you're arguing against, people are talking about legitimate STARS (Austin/Rock/Cena). Nobody has ever argued that WWE can't take a career jobber and shoehorn them into a main event feud if they want to. So I don't really see the point.

A star is someone the crowd cares about. That they are engaged in what they do. They (Vince) have shoehorned countless people into main events and the crowd rejected the shyt out of them. Jinder and bliss and Strowman are clearly not on this list...

 

[dh86]

Let me be clear

A star is different from a draw or someone who draws money

A star is someone the crowd is engaged in, good or bad...someone they care about. Bobby Roode is a star in NXT...because he matters. Nakamura is on SD but he hasn't drawn money yet.

Jinder, bliss, and Strowman are 3 of newest stars in WWE, and the crowd and fans watching are engaged in what they do. Their ability to draw money or grow the business is independent of that.

That's exactly what a star is. They could have Tyler Breeze as the next contender after Rusev and say DING new star! but if numbers drop, guess what? We'll see how Backlash numbers are.

 

[Jmare007]

It takes more than WWE just pushing you into a main event spot to get the "star" label. You need to be proven as a money making difference maker.

That's hard as fukk though. By that definition no one is a star in today's WWE, not even Brock.

I get your point, WWE's pushing someone and giving the perception someone is a star, doesn't automatically make him/her a star. But nowadays we don't have much to base that on besides personal perception and maybe some mainstream buzz.

Overness is probably the only tool we have left to gauge someone's stardom

 

[trick]

I imagine Jinder being a stand in for Rusev the entire time. It would do WWE well and not to assume that fans in India are slow and dont know that Jinder has been a jobber for years.

I live in a city with lots of Indian people and they always support their own - no matter what. People will gravitate towards people who share the same experiences, background, race...that's just life. And this is wrestling, who gives a shyt about the win-loss records? It's about the story

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

That's exactly what a star is. They could have Tyler Breeze as the next contender after Rusev and say DING new star! but if numbers drop, guess what? We'll see how Backlash numbers are.

No, if the crowd cares, then he is a star. I can list a lot of people given opportunities as main eventers who were rejected and did NOT become stars

• Jack swagger
• Ryback
• Ezekiel Jackson
• Alberto del Rio after his initial run
• Almost all of the ruthless agression meatheads like Luther reigns, heidenrich, pulombo, etc

A DRAW and a STAR are different in this conversation

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

A star is someone the crowd cares about. That they are engaged in what they do. They (Vince) have shoehorned countless people into main events and the crowd rejected the shyt out of them. Jinder and bliss and Strowman are clearly not on this list...

You really think the crowd CARES ABOUT and is ENGAGED in Jinder Mahal and Alexa Bliss?

Based on what exactly? You can't possibly tell me someone is a STAR based on some moderate crowd reactions. If they care and they're engaged then they'll spend money to see you. That's how you know it's a STAR. I have a hard time believing anyone in their right mind would shell out even a dollar to go watch either of these two do anything unless it involves Alexa in a bra and panties match.