Fillerguy
Veteran
this probably one of the greatest displays of mental gymnastics I've seen on this site.
Jimmy Kimmel introduces DACA opponents to Dreamers
- Thread starter Berniewood Hogan
- Start date
this probably one of the greatest displays of mental gymnastics I've seen on this site.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Breh...this is madness. There are literally billions of people who would be willing to contribute to America in exchange for citizenship. The idea that they should all be allowed to enter the country illegally and have their child automatically be granted citizenship as long as they can evade the authorities long enough for their kids to grow up here would absolutely logistically annihilate the country. No other country on the planet has an immigration system as insane as that.
Poetical Poltergeist
Precise and cold hearted
Well didn't Obama deport almost 3million illegals?
How is it any crazier than your child having the right to citizenship because they were born on us soil?
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
"fukk you, got mine."
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
No. I believe a less complicated path to naturalized citizenship should be made available to persons brought here as children and who spend their lives here.
*gets an education, gets a job, pays taxes, contributes positively to society*
"HE'S EVADING THE AUTHORITIES!!!"
"It's impossible to change the situation. It cannot be done. DON'T TRY, STOP TRYING, HELP! THEY'RE TRYING!!!!"
Piff Huxtable
Delaney 2020,2024,2028...
Profasi using fake quotes doesn't change the fact that it's #HYON from here on out
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Because you can regulate birth tourism easier than you the other option. And it still maintains a nation's right to its borders and their legality. The other option is blatantly flouting the very idea of borders or a nation, and encourages illegal immigration. Which is fine is you're a Marxist, but then you have to accept all the effects that come from holding that position.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Irrespective of the legality of how they were brought here? I too am in favour of a less complicated path to naturalization, but that path cannot include routine breaking of immigration law. Otherwise, you're just going to encourage more illegal immigration. I believe all nations has the right to control the flow of immigration into their borders, and telling people that an acceptable path to citizenship is to break the law and just wait it out is bad policy in my opinion.
Undocumented immigrants that have been in the US since childhood do have to evade authorities, and to mock the anxiety and limited opportunities they have by suggesting they're not evading authorities is disrespectful breh. They are not legal citizens, and do not have the peace of mind that legal citizens do. They get educations, get jobs, pay taxes and contribute positively to society, but all under the anxiety of non-legal status because their presence is in violation of the law. The question is, what do we do about it now and how do we amend the immigration system so this doesn't happen in the future. I think all the currently DACA eligible people should be given a path to legal citizenship, but the future fix isn't to just open the borders of the US (especially considering the climate change induced mass migrations that are coming in this century), nor can illegal immigration be a viable path to citizenship.
*gets an education, gets a job, pays taxes, contributes positively to society*
"HE'S EVADING THE AUTHORITIES!!!"
Milton Freidman said it best when he stated “a government can either have wellfare or it can have open borders but it cannot have both”.
Pragmatically, the wellfare state in its entirety is not something that will be radically ended anytime soon, so if it is to exist (as it must) open borders must be closed... and here we are.
I'm surprised Jimmy aired this.
He's been gradually getting more political, something changed in him that made him care.
It's welcome.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
I completely agree, they are getting fukked and it isn’t “fair”.
But it happens... life isn’t fair. People suffer windfall losses all the time.
Welcome to America.
Couldn't you use this exact argument for granting DACA recipients, or any immigrant who came here illegally, citizenship or amnesty?
Like, "Yeah I know you've been applying for citizenship for a decade, Mr. Smith, but Juan overstayed his visa so there's no more room for you. Sorry, life isn't fair."