Jesse Willams just spit that pro black fire on the BET Awards

[onelastdeath]

Really one of the stupidest (yes this is so stupid that I used stupidest, instead of most stupid) things I've ever heard.

It's hard to get behind someone that you know has not faced the same struggles as you.
Yeah he might be a nikka to white people. But with in our community he has all the privlages.

 

[Knuckles Red]

That shyt is fukkin disgusting. Khaled was the 1st one I noticed. Tired of these nikkaz thinkin just because they rich, the shyt goin on doesnt have anything to do with them. A bunch of sellouts.

DJ Khaled isn't black

All these semantics about who's really black isn't getting anybody anywhere. I don't understand why he just can't be appreciated for being who he is and using his platform to speak on things that matter to black people. Even on fb, I haven't seen anybody talk about "he's not really black." Even the ratchet ass folks I know are celebrating him and feeling prideful

Its gotten white people very far. They understand the detriment caused by us accepting mulattos as black. They see how it fragments our race, and how it confuses us. This is why we are encouraged to accept mulattos as black. Words are important because they mean things!

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Yes, I've heard this debate, the fact that these two men had different views that they both respectively presented to each other does NOT make Baldwin a c00n. In fact, Baldwin was really warning Malcolm about a few things in the NOI that Malcolm would later acknowledge in his life.
Do you know how many black civil rights leaders disagreed with Malcolm back in the day? So does that make them all c00ns?
Baldwin had the upmost respect for Malcolm.



And while Baldwin was gay you're completely wrong about him putting gays over blacks. It was the other way around. Come on bruh, do your research before you slander people like that
Black Manhood in James Baldwin, Ernest J. Gaines, and August Wilson

I could pull up some other comments from baldwin

But you know what, I agree with your premises. I might hold a sort of nostalgia for malcolm, and you are right, because 1 disagree does not make them a c00n.

I just don't trust homosexuals at all, but I can revive my position on a baldwin. Props on helping me see it that way

 

[Prince Mongo]

What are you doing for this black business? Just being a son of a business owner doesn't mean shyt if you aren't going to work to keep it going.

I used to work for her and do her clerical work. I still help her out with it now and so do other members of my family. My point is beyond that though. I was originally saying that there are black people in my community, including my mother, who are actively doing their part to better the black neighborhood I live in, economically and socially. You making generalizations about the black community in America doesn't make sense. Making a hypothetical scenario about nikkas owning a black version of Samsung on the coli isn't really doing shyt. There are black people living in black communities everywhere who are actually doing things for the community

 

[Drew Wonder]

I could pull up some other comments from baldwin

But you know what, I agree with your premises. I might hold a sort of nostalgia for malcolm, and you are right, because 1 disagree does not make them a c00n.

I just don't trust homosexuals at all, but I can revive my position on a baldwin. Props on helping me see it that way

A debate in a coli race thread that didn't end in curse words and c00n/cac accusations? I'm gonna give you a and a +rep for that homie. But yeah bruh, one thing I'm learning is these black leaders and intellectuals who I put on pedestals while learning about them in high school and college were far from perfect, had their own flaws and contradictions just like any other human being. To me it makes what they did that much more impressive, knowing that they accomplished what they accomplished despite their flawed human nature

 

[cam>]

Jessie definitely has beauty privilege and shade privilege. He's a very good looking, light skinned man, so he reaps those advantages, and in many ways has had an easier life than many men. Many (

That doesn't negate what he said, or the risks he takes with his public image.

He went up there and said things most Black men given a platform REFUSE to ever say.

 

[Knuckles Red]

This is not a smart premises tho. It's like hating a child for being the product of a rapist more than hating the rapist himself.

You can't choose your parents, you can choose who you lay with tho. Simply slapping black and white people together don't just produce activist. That was a conscious choice he made and he should be commended for that.

His point, a very good point, is that you should have some consistency in your argument. If you're against interracial relationships/marriages, because you recognize the danger those types of unions represent to the black community, then it makes no sense to then put the product of such unions on a pedestal and accept them as black. It makes no fukking sense.

 

[Londilon]

I used to work for her and do her clerical work. I still help her out with it now and so do other members of my family. My point is beyond that though. I was originally saying that there are black people in my community, including my mother, who are actively doing their part to better the black neighborhood I live in, economically and socially. You making generalizations about the black community in America doesn't make sense. Making a hypothetical scenario about nikkas owning a black version of Samsung on the coli isn't really doing shyt. There are black people living in black communities everywhere who are actually doing things for the community

The reason I have an argument is because MOST are not working to build up the black community. Just because your mom does nursing and you did some clerical work doesn't mean black people can not relax all we need to do is talk.

 

[Prince Mongo]

Its gotten white people very far. They understand the detriment caused by us accepting mulattos as black. They see how it fragments our race, and how it confuses us. This is why we are encouraged to accept mulattos as black. Words are important because they mean things!

On the contrary, what you're saying is fragmenting our community. Mixed black people are treated as black in America. You can tell when someone is half black. Their identity in the world will be labeled black. This is really an argument that's only done on the internet

 

[PartyHeart]

I only saw the clip because the full video has apparently been taken down. He was speaking truth up there. The part that I hope most Black people take to heart is the part he mentions about Black folks getting money and then rushing to give it right back. I wish we understood that more. It is key.

And its not just about where you shop, its also about who you choose to marry and even who you associate with socially. That is really the foundation of a community when you look at it in the simplest form. The thing is, I don't think Black people even having knowledge of this will move the needle until our collective self esteem and love of Blackness is increased. Its so much easier to shop with your own, marry your own, and associate with your own when you don't see less value in them than others.

I didn't like how he was chewing gum through the whole thing though.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

His point, a very good point, is that you should have some consistency in your argument. If you're against interracial relationships/marriages, because you recognize the danger those types of unions represent to the black community, then it makes no sense to then put the product of such unions on a pedestal and accept them as black. It makes no fukking sense.

its not a good point, its a dumb one

again, you cant choose who your parents are. you can choose who you lay with

2. nobody is against interracial relationships based on some dangers it represents to the black community, so dont attempt to define what the issue is here. all the dangers to the black community is and always has been the byproduct of white supremacy and institutional racism. period the argument against interracial relationships is its roots in self hatred. clearly jesse williams dont have a self hating issue, unless its hating his white side, considering he putting them on blast. so again, you make no sense. all i ever ask is those who are the product of interracial relationships, is to choose another black person to benefit the nation. he has done that. so he good with me.

3. you are speaking in full hyperbole continuing to repeat " putting someone on a pedestal" and " worshipping a savior" because that is not what is happening here and your going to that extreme to make a point on a baseless argument in the 1st place. in fact its counterproductive because if the sentiment is that interracial relationships create enemies to the black community, then jesse williams just shattered that perception.

the problem with you nikkas is that your a bunch of pessimistic complaining fools who dont know if your coming or going. if one has a platform and says nothing, they are a c00n, if they do have the platform and speak out, its well it wont change nothing or in this case lets argue all day about how black he is. that is what makes all this silly. at this point nothing will satisfy you kind of people.

how about just salute the man for what he did, and go about the business of doing what you been doing for your community. issue is, most of you do nothing for your community than rain criticism on anyone who does say or do anything, while we cant find the evidence of your work. and lets just also call it what it is, some of you insecure negroes are jealous and mad that the light skinned brother is getting the attention from the sisters. i myself have no issue seeing another man get some shine. dusty negroes with ugly man issues do however feel some kind of way seeing this. so you create arguments to hide your jealousy issues.

 

[pickles]

Did BET take down the video of his speech?


x 100 for real.

 

[Knuckles Red]

On the contrary, what you're saying is fragmenting our community. Mixed black people are treated as black in America. You can tell when someone is half black. Their identity in the world will be labeled black. This is really an argument that's only done on the internet

False. Mulattos are more likely to be hired over black people, more likely to receive lighter jail sentences and are perceived as being smarter. There are consequences to being black, mulatto and white. We see these consequences play out in real life. Not just on the Internet.

 

[PhonZhi]

why is his speech being taken down from all sites?

the full video has apparently been taken down.

Hold up.....what?

 

[Knuckles Red]

you can choose who you lay with

You can also choose who you let represent you, and who you consider to be part of your community. Why not exercise that power? You have it.