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I'm as big a J. Cole advocate as anyone, but you guys are going to have to accept at some point that many of the very people criticizing J. Cole were the ones who loved him in the first place. He's simply never topped Friday Night Lights. Do you have any idea how many people I know that bought Cole's album because 2014 was generally wack and because of the racial turmoil in America at the time? They don't even listen to it anymore. When I hear FHD, all I think is that Chance the Rapper should be the one singing this song or rapping this verse. You can see where Chance was part of that creative process or inspired it. He's not a better lyricist than Cole but he's a better harmonizer. J. Cole is that dude that many people support because his presence is necessary in the game, and because of his past work and what they believe he represents. That's a substantial portion of his support, but quietly they're wondering how this dude is getting bigger while he has yet to drop a truly great album (though the gap between him and Kendrick is exaggerated). I just never says hit because cats get defensive when you offer any critique that isn't on the dope/wack dichotomy. If you ever pay attention, the loudest critics of J. Cole are people that want him to be as great as he was on his mixtapes and are not satisfied that he hasn't had one album come close (like me).

Look at the production on Surf, I just think this is what he should be rapping over.
Yeah, I was mentioning the Chance influence a while back. Even on that Breakfast Club interview with Chance he said how he "wrote" a particular song for Cole, and then fell back on what he said when they were like, "Hol up you wrote for Cole".

I wouldn't be surprised if Chance somehow ends up affiliated with Dreamville somehow... I hope he doesn't though, and continues to do his own thing.
 

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Don't see how you could say this. He's improved upon every release. Production is lightyears ahead of what he's done in the past, and lyrics still on point.

I think yall fell in love with where he was at, at that point in his life cause you could relate (recent college grad, conscious of social issues, yet conflicted) now he's grown past that, and he's not giving you that feel anymore
But he hasn't though.

How can you say he's past that now, when he has songs like Wet Dreamz on the album? And he's going to continue to run with the college angle/crowd for his topics cause that's his bread and butter at this point.
 

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Yeah, I was mentioning the Chance influence a while back. Even on that Breakfast Club interview with Chance he said how he "wrote" a particular song for Cole, and then fell back on what he said when they were like, "Hol up you wrote for Cole".

I wouldn't be surprised if Chance somehow ends up affiliated with Dreamville somehow... I hope he doesn't though, and continues to do his own thing.
Yea I think chance kinda to big for that. I don't see cole label being big like. Chance has bigger potential than everybody on that label
 

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I don't he needed chance at all, the stuff he harmonized when perfect wit the feel of the album, it wasn't meant to be on key, it was meant to display pain, chance would have not been able to pull that off wit his quirky Drug addict voice.
Word, Chance couldn't pull off the same kind of songs that he's been put out years ago?



That song is shytting on Cole's attempt at the same thing in Apparently

:mjlol:

Am I lying?
 

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Word, Chance couldn't pull off the same kind of songs that he's been put out years ago?



That song is shytting on Cole's attempt at the same thing in Apparently

:mjlol:

Am I lying?

:yeshrug: I'm not feeling that much. shyt I only listen to bout 3 songs of his mixtape Acid rap(Mainly the ones where he uses that quirky drug addict voice)
 

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But he hasn't though.

How can you say he's past that now, when he has songs like Wet Dreamz on the album? And he's going to continue to run with the college angle/crowd for his topics cause that's his bread and butter at this point.

That's a totally different angle than his songs before though. Its from the angle of being older and reflecting on the past, as opposed to currently being in the situation. In fact that's what most of the album is about. Having experiences and reflecting on where you are in the world. And how you deal with personal relationships.
 

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nah, and I don't even know why you would compare them.

no way I would think they are similar other than the fact that a mother is mentioned
True, Chance does the harmonizing much better than what Cole put out there on FHD. Wasn't really comparing, more so giving an example of why people were saying they saw some Chance influence with Cole's latest album and all of the singing he put on it.

I understand what Cole was going for, and I have an idea on where he got the inspiration from. Especially since Cole has said he's been checking for Chance and how he's a fan.
 

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Yea I think chance kinda to big for that. I don't see cole label being big like. Chance has bigger potential than everybody on that label
Chance won't ever sign. He has all the connects. He had Jay Z personally recommending hi for Madonna album for him. He'll drop free shyt and tour.
 

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True, Chance does the harmonizing much better than what Cole put out there on FHD. Wasn't really comparing, more so giving an example of why people were saying they saw some Chance influence with Cole's latest album and all of the singing he put on it.

I understand what Cole was going for, and I have an idea on where he got the inspiration from. Especially since Cole has said he's been checking for Chance and how he's a fan.
:yeshrug: Cole been harmonizing also tho, look back at the warm up wit songs "I get up"
 
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