Jay-Z is on the low not respected and therefore not a powerfull boss :

[Murkman]

thats why i am interested in the subject of Jay because he began a lot of the basttardization in hiphop 'i dumb down to double my dollars, im not a rapper im a hustler, etc'

This is interesting so everyone dumbed down was cool, but when he did it, THEN it was a problem? Hip-Hop b*stardized itself into what it grew into the 00's, everyone was trying their damnedest to "appeal" to someone even before his career around the Vol. 2 finally got Mainstream.

You nikkas love bangers from that time period, correct me if I'm wrong.
If everyone around the same time committed the same crime altogether, what sense is it to only hold one accountable?

Notice, that he was reflecting on the likelihood of what happens to those who eventually lose their footing in Rap.
Then they either resort to Battle Rap or hanging onto some pseudointellectual Sociopolitical bullshyt to make their bread and "reach people the authentic way".

Get that fukking self-righteous bullshyt, mentally blind stance out of here, that's as corny as street preachers. These are the "REAL Hip-Hop" figureheads who lie to everyone on a consistent basis of how reality actually works, and their dumbass brainwashed fanbases believe it and think there's no other perspective to view that.

He couldn't have it both ways, so he had to make a 3rd way. Hov balanced the fukk out of that album, which ironically is the same project the song you quoted it from.

For somebody who supposedly in your limited and bias view "wasn't as poetically inclined as his peers", he did an exemplary job "The Black Album" summing up all his career and life moments leading to it.

This is still the ongoing battle for lyricists in general. When all else fails and your fans abandon you, how do YOU stay on top to get through the disloyalty?

 

[Murkman]

but the big boss's are looked on fondly forever.

What big bosses? Ross, 50, Nas, Baby, Dr. Dre., etc. Can you actually be specific for once and really not be vague? Because this is some red herring shyt on another level.

Tell me how many of those "Rap CEO's" have the following:

1. Own ALL their masters, thereby have the capability to run an actual streaming service

Dame has RD, who cares? That will be his soon one way or another eventually, it's only a matter of time (Too many rappers to name in this category)

2. Doesn't owe their career to some Rap mogul richer and more powerful than they are, when they front like they ain't (Wayne, for example).

3. Run a record label most of Hip-Hop wholly gives a fukk about, not just some specialized demographic who wants "cool points" like cac elitists.

(Strange Music stands out for this)

You notice how this gets harder as it goes down the list?

4. Bosses that haven't fallen off at some point in time (T.I., Master P, Puffy, etc.)

5. That actually has artists whom Rap as a culture supports enough to where they become more than being known for "Being stuck on this boss's label".

(Everyone at MMG, everyone at Mass Appeal, everyone on Shady, etc.)

6. Never had their shyt ghostwritten for
them - this is a big one for those who claim to still be Kings and Queens of Rap since the 80's to right now.

(Snoop, Kim, Kanye, 50, Drake, etc.)

When you consider ALL of these categories, Hov is one of the few in a handful you say is a true "Boss" in Rap.

Whatever fake ass bosses you believe are actually worth comparing, please give another that fits all the above criteria.

You're clearly being a butthurt bytch about this, because it disgusts you on the inside that at least ONE Rap artist has single-handedly somehow avoid all these oitfalls, and it just so happens to be who you made the thread about. Granted, he isn't perfect like everyone else, but to really try with that fukkery you kept regurgitating for 3 pages is admirable at best.

Amazing how somebody can give so much to everyone else's lazy asses to mooch off of, only for you to somehow imply he doesn't mean shyt to Rap, when it's the exact opposite. He is literally respected in and held to high regard in ALL tiers of notoriety in Rap. That's nearly impossible for anyone else to lay claim too, without being laughed at.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

You spelled powerful wrong. /thread.

Beat me to it

it goes both ways, pause.

 

[ll_simon]

dude, from 2003 on .... Jay got bigger than his talent should have reached and thats because beyonce bought him to mainstream media and execs assumed you can bank on a big hiphop act, who where "black music" first couple.

this aside how many of you are aware Jay is born on 'december 4th' i know that and i havent listened to any of his albums fully since the black album. so basically he said he was given a virgin birth. gloria carter 'he gave me no pain' then the next day he learned to ride a bike (which was most probably a tricycle) ... basically this dude trying to stamp in repeatedly over and over, his a miracle man.

but true power lets the people decide, thats why before he dropped every summer yearly because he couldnt lose his grip and miss out on the latest hiphop shifts.

I know, Ether Day

 

[tkmc]

that was an eminem rhyme

Nah. It's a jay line at the beginning of Success track. That track features Nas though.

 

[swerve]

Nah. It's a jay line at the beginning of Success track. That track features Nas though.

Its from Eminems "i'm back" from marshall mathers LP which came out 7 years before the Jigger Man track

But I guess Jigger Man was only bigging up Eminem because he respect him

Jay-Z is a snake

 

[Art Barr]

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Fifty is the best boss in the game when it comes to taking care of his crew. Fifty also was the main cause of New York loses its leader status in hip hop but beefing. Suge has a distribution deal & a great line up of artist & failed trying to be a bully. Jay Z was not the problem with the Roc. Dame Dash ruined the label with his bullshyt. Jay Z said on the album I'm not a rapper I'm a hustler & he stayed true to that. He never said he was doing anything for hip hop even if he did. You listen to Dane too much. Jay z was about business while Dame was about image. Maybe you too young to understand that rapper his age (Rakim, Kane, Jaz O, Kool G Rap) respect him for his business.

Sorry but you can not know the facts if you sat here and tried to diss dame for jayz creating a failed coup with lyor Cohen.
You just a jay Stan and revisionist and like to ignore the facts for false blatantly misleading pr trying to create false statements and express them in fallacy.
You speak a blatant lie built on fake pr and perception and not what really occurred.
Stop spreading falsehoods breh.

Yousa jayz Stan and you do not know what happened.
If you did you would not excuse jay for anything he did.
as he came to the game in a culture thief's wear.

You believe in a false mythos, writen in pr for jay.
which are a fallacy.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

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Here's a checklist: Das-EFX, Fu Schikens, and Jaz-O being the main 3 who his haters say make him fraudulent as an emcee.
2 of them are sound alike trends nobody even cared about beyond a gimmick, the 3rd used that himself and no style of his own.

What makes him a fraud? Hopping on certain trends OTHER New Yorkers have done throughout the entire 90's upon popularity?

Coli once again picking and choosing emcess to make special cases for. You can say that about every major rapper in history, who in some way "bit" someone else's style to stay hot and relevant. The trick is innovation and doing things in the way you interpret it, which he's done well and better than most emcees in general. The music business is a game, adapt, struggle, be played or die out. Half the time you do your own thing, everyone calls it trash anyways.



The same nikkas you all dikkride on here at GOAT's have gotten away with countless shyt. Meanwhile, he's been pressured to have to readmit it time and time again just because being honest with yourself seems to be a lost gem in Hip-Hop. It's not like this nikka is Puffy, he has actually helped out and given a platform for too many rappers in his time and this generation to be called a "snake".

Here's an example, he gave Kanye a career, still gets disrespected by that Napoleon Complex nikka, because his weirdo ass Perez Hilton-media, 10th Wonder circus freak family (who is basically free communicable disease to anybody who catches it) is something he personally wanted nothing a part of, inarguably for damn good reason. Sometimes being rational saves your ass from everyone else's bullshyt they love to get you emotionally entangled in.


It's not just music, but also your personal lives and business too.


Trends come and go, yet someone like him gets ragged on for keeping other's trends alive at times (only to not get thanked at all for it, bitter ass rappers) and the instances where he has done his own things, everyone didn't support it. Look where he is now, to this day Biggie stans will verbally shyt out this conjecture, "If Biggie never died, he wouldn't had a career", hell why don't they say for everybody after Biggie died?

Last time I checked, did Biggie even own his masters at the time before his own death?
How many other rappers did Puffy swindle for his own gain, until it's common sense that anybody under his supervision was gonna get double penetrated on music contracts?


If Biggie was still alive, nobody would've wanted his drama to fukk up their artistry deals and businesses. It's a miracle any East Coast Rap artists were able to survive in the 00's, considering how many got overlooked.

This is all fan speak brought on by pro jay pr..


It is has nuffin to do wit culture and you do not understand the culture of hip hop.
Nor any of the time lines or edicts in this culture.
as to how the mores and norms were etched out as well.

This whole little narcissistic bullshyt you posted is Stan speak.

That if you knew anything cultural about hip hop, rap or even era based on sonic landscapes and technical skills rhyming l.
If you knew hiohop at all you would never have posted no diggety styles war nuffin to make your point and real talk,...
Please make a thread on diggety style war era so I could kill you on that alone.
Just you posting diggety style war shyt that lead to the technical. Revolution by nas shows you don't know this shyt like that at all.

Just stop.


Art Barr

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

I knew OP would be in the red based off the thread title alone.

 

[Cynic]

dude when i get back i can delve in further but all roc-a-fella split was 3 ways and dame started every business venture in rocafella from rocawear to armdale. his business since then have been sponsors (budweiser,rocnation,40/40 was a share owned, he owned a bag of cashews in the nets, but i give him props for getting investment for his tidal share) outside that its from his brand and touring.

madonna has more cake and wouldnt call her a business guru of any sort, just a successful artist like Jay. but Jay wants the power and notoriety the big historian acclaim but his seen now my real heads as a novelty and will go down as such when later people catch on because people come and go.

but the big boss's are looked on fondly forever.

Madonna debuted in the 80s and is a white woman with a few failed marriages.

Jay just sold 30% of Tidal. Who cares if you have to form strategic partnerships ? Why start from scratch when you use licensing and joint ventures to generate revenue ?

Dame is out here trying to sell motor oil in the midst of OPEC Saudi vs Iran vs American shale gas beef.




Jay doesn't give one iota about this "big boss" respect shyt. He's impregnated the biggest diva of our time and signed two of the biggest pop/rap acts of our Time in Cole/Rihanna. All while forging ahead with his business goals.

 

[Derekjackson2]

LOL! I didn't diss Dame. There is actual footage of Dame's behavior toward Def Jam. I'm not. Jay Z fan but I respect his hustle because I watched his career from the start.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

LOL! I didn't diss Dame. There is actual footage of Dame's behavior toward Def Jam. I'm not. Jay Z fan but I respect his hustle because I watched his career from the start.

i respect his position, the way he got there not as much as the other "business men" who got there, he gets given money most other black men in his position had to make the money. he has always had partners and worked under the boss, from his mario go kart days to roc nation now.

 

[Derekjackson2]

What do mean how he got there? Jay has had success with a variety of people & one common denominator is jay. No ghost writer, different labels, different eras, different producers, & different content. You have to respect the hustle.

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

 

[brasco901]

Dame....is that you?