Jay-Z is on the low not respected and therefore not a powerfull boss :

[Cloud McFly]

this is a true boss, he is not even a strong black man, hopping on more waves than them cancun surfer bytches.

Crazy how dude is held to a different set of rules than everyone else. A cat like Nas can work with the likes of Nicki Minaj, Wiz Khalifa, Lil Jon, Master P, Jennifer Lopez, Kanye West, DJ Khaled, Missy Elliot, Lil Wayne etc., and it's seen as moving the culture forward or for the art, but when it's Jay, it's he's dikkriding or trying to ride their wave.

Never mind the fact the most of the people he collabs with are his artists, or cats who look up to him or call him their idol. Hell dude collabs with his own wife, and it's a problem to these cats

im with you a 100%, but the future is still ahead of you. Jay is going down in history regardless just have to eat it up

And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is the main reason for the great disdain cats have for dude.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is the main reason for the great disdain cats have for dude.

dame dash is also going down in history forever, there is no disdain. shyt proof will with eminem, ... stop crying

 

[Art Barr]

puff and clive where not just pertaining to hiphop, even though in hiphop on Puff's run he got heavily chastised and mocked and a serious smear campaign within the hiphop community but like a true boss. he just let his moves and works do the talking and built his empire.

a generally likeable guy even though its made clear not to make him cross, and clive davis does what a boss does and plays the back row and let his grafting be the showcase. I would consider both men, and with jay's polluted ways i would call a heshe.

This is offkey.
if you think you can excuse puff and Clive and they created the culture theft based model that jay used.

Clive and puff are the beginning essence of you saying someone is a heshe.


Art Barr

 

[BlackDiBiase]

This is offkey.
if you think you can excuse puff and Clive and they created the culture theft based model that jay used.

Clive and puff are the beginning essence of you saying someone is a heshe.


Art Barr

fair enough, i was going to post a picture of george w bush junior or vlademir putin but thought keep it music, not just rap and like 5 years ago. Jay like Kanye wanted to distance themselves from rap into mainstream hysteria (they call it transcending hiphop) both failed by the way and came back.

thats why i respect eminem he never left hiphop especially when it was being spoofed and having little respect back like 5 years ago. Jays the leader of the transgender allegiance, i mean co-leader he can never be a boss.

 

[smokeurobinson]

there goes 2.

I meant the pictures of you. I dont know who u are. You r a faceless name on the internet. If a faceless name on the internet says someone like Jay Z isnt an example of a respected boss then I need to see your 21 year resume that qualifys you to say that about Jay Z. Otherwise u dont qualify. If your resume doesnt match up to Jiggamans than u dont qualify to say what defines a boss, You could be Nas' Babymom Carmen for all I know.

 

[Art Barr]

Jay Z claimed to be hustler & is the truest hustler in hip hop. I was in high school when I saw the originators video. I'm 44 years old & jay z still in the game as a major players. If you don't respect that you don't know what respect is. 50, mike Tyson,& Suge were feared at one point but once the fear went away they are respected for what they ONCE was. All of Jay Z's enemies come to get some game & money. Jim Jones called Jay old 10 years ago now he wants a favor.

You base it off whether a culture thief.
to even his own crew like jim Jones with nowhere to go.
as indicative of jayz being culturally forthright or a model of success.

Just stop, breh.

Fiddy is commendable as the only boss in rap, whom you mentioned.
that actually looked out for his actual label in every sense of the word.
any issues he had internally were precipitated by the insubordination of his artist and were dealt with accordingly. Fiddy is the only guy who actually as a business in rap, was completely forthright.
Mike is a fighter and now a comedic parody based celeb.
Suge was a mecca envy cultural scourge who eventually created every issue he faced. None of them outside of fiddy in business should be trusted.
Jay destroyed an all black three pronged label in a coup with a white man named lyor cohen.
There is nuffin commendable about it at all culturally from a hiphop culture stand point.
Now if you want to be an advocate of white collar crime.
All of pisspoor lack of good faith and the like in business.
Then so be it, but none of that is culturally endorsed by hiphop as culture.
or scope in business in the culture of hiphop and business of rap.


Where in your forty four year in the culture of hiphop did their business practice get respect.

I wanna hear this, cause real commendable people in hiphop for real culturally.
Are not aligning with that type of business at all.
All the people who did business with scourge were selling out and they knew it culturally too.

If you wanna make a list of the rosters of these label heads you tried to give passes to we can and I can easily bring up the culturally exposal and facts.


Art Barr

 

[BlackDiBiase]

I meant the pictures of you. I dont know who u are. You r a faceless name on the internet. If a faceless name on the internet says someone like Jay Z isnt an example of a respected boss then I need to see your 21 year resume that qualifys you to say that about Jay Z. Otherwise u dont qualify. If your resume doesnt match up to Jiggamans than u dont qualify to say what defines a boss, You could be Nas' Babymom Carmen for all I know.

Im not giving out my info, and after the 2nd strike im not continuing reading that shyt but checked your post count and year joined. clap for yourself, the only proof is you are in a worst situation than me ... and i didnt even give you my details. relax bro, i dont know you.

 

[Art Barr]

Crazy how dude is held to a different set of rules than everyone else. A cat like Nas can work with the likes of Nicki Minaj, Wiz Khalifa, Lil Jon, Master P, Jennifer Lopez, Kanye West, DJ Khaled, Missy Elliot, Lil Wayne etc., and it's seen as moving the culture forward or for the art, but when it's Jay, it's he's dikkriding or trying to ride their wave.

Never mind the fact the most of the people he collabs with are his artists, or cats who look up to him or call him their idol. Hell dude collabs with his own wife, and it's a problem to these cats




And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is the main reason for the great disdain cats have for dude.

Nas is not ever given a pass by the real.
Maybe his mtv stan base that thought iww was his debut record.
Not the real people in the culture who know the deal.
Nas is held just as accountable by real bboys as jayz and puff are.
as matter of fact, nas is a much worse sellout than jay.
That if jay was smart.
he would have just shut the fukk up and never stalked nas or carmen.
All cause jay stalking nas and carmen.
gave nas the mixtape draw to rebolster his cultiral standing from being a jiggy sellout.
If jay never goes after nas.
nas falters and this fake mythos of jayz being the goat continues with no hiccup to his pr media blitz base.
Including never having a cultural sellout perceived rival based in nas as well.

That is also why jay is a weirdo.
all cause he brought the decline of his own draw about to casuals.
Plus, precipitated exactly why he is not viewed like that any more globally after ether.

Duke brought the ether onto himself messing around in nas personal life like some weirdo.


Art Barr

 

[Derekjackson2]

Fifty is the best boss in the game when it comes to taking care of his crew. Fifty also was the main cause of New York loses its leader status in hip hop but beefing. Suge has a distribution deal & a great line up of artist & failed trying to be a bully. Jay Z was not the problem with the Roc. Dame Dash ruined the label with his bullshyt. Jay Z said on the album I'm not a rapper I'm a hustler & he stayed true to that. He never said he was doing anything for hip hop even if he did. You listen to Dane too much. Jay z was about business while Dame was about image. Maybe you too young to understand that rapper his age (Rakim, Kane, Jaz O, Kool G Rap) respect him for his business.

 

[The Fire]

lol stfu

 

[jebuz]

thecoli on some fukkboy shyt today

"Jay-Z wasn't a boss"
"Nas wasn't popular in the 90's"

 

[Cloud McFly]

dame dash is also going down in history forever, there is no disdain. shyt proof will with eminem, ... stop crying

Crying?

About what? You confused me there breh. The irony of that is that cats who try to bring dude down by constantly try to shyt on dude, and make others feel the same as they do, are the ones who are actually crying out because cats don't view him as negatively as they do.

You said it yourself that dude is going down in history and that cats such as yourself just have to eat it up. It eats you cats up so much that you in turn make posts like this trying to sully his name, and for what? In the end it won't matter because his resume speaks for itself rather you like it not.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

Everybody who dissed him is begging to be down with RocNation

 

[tkmc]

he played the con artist to almost perfection, if he wasnt so insencere then he would have no doubters and flack.

he went from driving miss daisy to hiphop biggest mogul, probably ever. thats why i am interested in the subject of Jay because he began a lot of the basttardization in hiphop 'i dumb down to double my dollars, im not a rapper im a hustler, etc'

he was never as poetically inclined as his peers, Jay raps like his talking to you and other successful rappers use that template since then not the poetic route. of all the LPs his done he has no sound style of people wont even be able to tell you what to really expect of Jay because its conflicting stories and through his music you dont get a grasp of him and all he does off the mic is off putting.

to the poster who asked why make jay threads, because jay,kanye,50 are the last few interesting characters we have in the dull hiphop game now.

He went corporate He chased the $$$. I understand what you are saying though.

 

[Edub]

he played the con artist to almost perfection, if he wasnt so insencere then he would have no doubters and flack.

he went from driving miss daisy to hiphop biggest mogul, probably ever. thats why i am interested in the subject of Jay because he began a lot of the basttardization in hiphop 'i dumb down to double my dollars, im not a rapper im a hustler, etc'

he was never as poetically inclined as his peers, Jay raps like his talking to you and other successful rappers use that template since then not the poetic route. of all the LPs his done he has no sound style of people wont even be able to tell you what to really expect of Jay because its conflicting stories and through his music you dont get a grasp of him and all he does off the mic is off putting.

to the poster who asked why make jay threads, because jay,kanye,50 are the last few interesting characters we have in the dull hiphop game now.

You're right....I look at his union with Beyoncé and how it's deservedly so. Two individuals who have been selected by the worldly elite (music/media) as power props for the black community simply because the elite know they don't truly have the acumen for real power and aren't to be considered a real intellectual threat. Solange dropped one album (of notoriety anyway) that is more ground breaking and compelling socially than any thing her sister has done over her 20 years in the business(heard "to the left" on radio the other night and laughed at the corny content...("u must not know bout me").

Jay z began a man crush on everything that he felt was powerful from New York Jews to political and illuminati/corporate puppets and began to emulate their ways and practices only taking advantage of the hood adage at moments of career convenience that if it makes money then it makes sense(his proud confessions of selling poison to his own people for dollars is at the heart of why "they" accept him....propping up the destruction of the black community in a larger than life charismatic way....in their eyes he is raps "freeway" Ricky Ross, the skinny one not the fat one)....there by allowing him to keep his foot in the game one way or another by brehs who only think dollars first. It's the reason why some posters will say you corny for dissin dude or you simply "hating"....because they too only associate money with power and have no clue what real influential, compelling power and leadership really looks like. So no, he is not respected for leadership ability.....but he is(by peers and corporate manipulators) for the ability to generate and manipulate dollars and fan bases. So yea, a pawn of money coffers yes but a Don....nah.