Jay-Z is on the low not respected and therefore not a powerfull boss :

[tkmc]

You're right....I look at his union with Beyoncé and how it's deservedly so. Two individuals who have been selected by the worldly elite (music/media) as power props for the black community simply because the elite know they don't truly have the acumen for real power and aren't to be considered a real intellectual threat. Solange dropped one album (of notoriety anyway) that is more ground breaking and compelling socially than any thing her sister has done over her 20 years in the business(heard "to the left on radio the other night and laughed at the corny content...("u must not know bout me").

Jay z began a man crush on everything that he felt was powerful from New York Jews to political and illuminati/corporate puppets and began to emulate their ways and practices only taking advantage of the hood adage at moments of career convenience that if it makes money then it makes sense(his proud confessions of selling poison to his own people for dollars is at the heart of why "they" accept him....propping up the destruction of the black community in a larger than life charismatic way....in their eyes he is raps "freeway" Ricky Ross, the skinny one not the fat one)....there by allowing him to keep his foot in the game one way or another by breh who only think dollar first. It's the reason why some posters will say you corny for dissin dude or you simply "hating"....because they too only associate money with power and have no clue what real influential, compelling power and leadership really looks like. So no, he is not respected for leadership ability.....but he is(by peers and corporate manipulators) for the ability to generate and manipulate dollars and fan bases. So yea, a pawn of money coffers yes but a Don....nah.

funny thing about power. Powerful individuals who can't LEAD, become clowns. Im not saying anyone is a clown, but just stating a point. It seems everyone wants to be a "Boss". If you do not have the skills, or drive, or ambition... there is no shame in being a soldier. Just my $.02 cents.

 

[Edub]

Broke thoughts

I heard Mother*****s saying they made Hov, made hov say "ok, so?!" Make another Hov

"A Lion Doesn't Lose Sleep Over Opinion of Sheep"

Such powerful intellectual post and quotes

 

[Edub]

funny thing about power. Powerful individuals who can't LEAD, become clowns. Im not saying anyone is a clown, but just stating a point. It seems everyone wants to be a "Boss". If you do not have the skills, or drive, or ambition... there is no shame in being a soldier. Just my $.02 cents.

Nah fam, I agree with your $.02 cents .....it's good when people know there place. But the hip hop platform has allowed a lot of people to be considered leaders when they're nothing of the sort. I was watchin a smack DVD from a thread on here last night and this new cat (at the time anyway) was rappin and he was clearly not cut for a music career but still had 20 nikkas around him hypin him basically hopin he'd blow....he became a leader for them just due to the hip hop platform.....this has happened to others we've witnessed on a much larger scale....not sayin that's J....but it definitely has happened in the biz.

 

[tkmc]

Nah fam, I agree with your $.02 cents .....it's good when people know there place. But the hip hop platform has allowed a lot of people to be considered leaders when they're nothing of the sort. I was watchin a smack DVD from a thread on here last night and this new cat (at the time anyway) was rappin and he was clearly not cut for a music career but still had 20 nikkas around him hypin him basically hopin he'd blow....he became a leader for them just due to the hip hop platform.....this has happened to others we've witnessed on a much larger scale....not sayin that's J....but it definitely has happened in the biz.

Very true. Like Jay says on "Success". "What do I think of Success, it sucks, too much stress"....

 

[the cac mamba]

not respected to who? antisocial losers on the coli?

dude is getting audiences in the white house while we argue about him crying on Hot 97

im all for a good jay roast, but this is ridiculous :huhldby::jaymad:

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Jay is corny has zero charisma. Always seems awkward. He always had to tell everyone he was the best. When you're the best you don't have to do that. Insecure ass.

OP is spot on.

Since it's inception, hip hop rappers have told people that they're the best, all of the great ones. Hip hop rappers all show braggadocio, not just Jay. Give the camel a break.

 

[Edub]

Very true. Like Jay says on "Success". "What do I think of Success, it sucks, too much stress"....

All honesty....I really don't dislike J....he's provided decent rap tunes to ears like mine for some time now...that's to be commended. But what I don't like is when this genius element is added in to the mix....this thirst for historical relevance....I guess cuz I've witnessed nothing historic from homie. Plenty of people of color are making great money in their chosen fields ....rap included, I don't see dre alluding to his deserving of plaques or statues. This is all a trick of pop culture...like Madonna being called queen when she could never hold a note or dance for that matter. Pop culture is about making the pop artist bigger than life...so when I see the likes of Jay, ye...and yea even beyonce (she sort of pop wit hip hop influence) pull that shyt on there heavy black laden audiences it just unnerves me. Qtip told these corny nikkas rap is not pop, if you call it that than stop....he told hammer, who became pop large and eventually plummeted...look at MJ, Whitney etc....pop kills. Hip hop, while hood braggadocio is humble at it's root. Young urban youth trying to make good....so when you come through hip hop and try to claim deity status ( hov, yeezus, queen bey etc.) using the media and white worldly tools to do it....that's the shyt I don't like. Think about it...Drake was Drake....lightskin kid on young money ....then suddenly he's six god.....really nikka......the shyt is sad and actually predictable now days wit popular artists....it is the attempt to make hip hop pop...fukk all that. But reasonable doubt jay - blue print jay (few hit or misses in between) I'm cool wit.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Very true. Like Jay says on "Success". "What do I think of Success, it sucks, too much stress"....

that was an eminem rhyme

 

[ABlackMan]

You spelled powerful wrong. /thread.

 

[Murkman]

As, his actual skills as an emcee are fraud and foo as fukk.

Here's a checklist: Das-EFX, Fu Schikens, and Jaz-O being the main 3 who his haters say make him fraudulent as an emcee.
2 of them are sound alike trends nobody even cared about beyond a gimmick, the 3rd used that himself and no style of his own.

What makes him a fraud? Hopping on certain trends OTHER New Yorkers have done throughout the entire 90's upon popularity?

Coli once again picking and choosing emcess to make special cases for. You can say that about every major rapper in history, who in some way "bit" someone else's style to stay hot and relevant. The trick is innovation and doing things in the way you interpret it, which he's done well and better than most emcees in general. The music business is a game, adapt, struggle, be played or die out. Half the time you do your own thing, everyone calls it trash anyways.



The same nikkas you all dikkride on here at GOAT's have gotten away with countless shyt. Meanwhile, he's been pressured to have to readmit it time and time again just because being honest with yourself seems to be a lost gem in Hip-Hop. It's not like this nikka is Puffy, he has actually helped out and given a platform for too many rappers in his time and this generation to be called a "snake".

Here's an example, he gave Kanye a career, still gets disrespected by that Napoleon Complex nikka, because his weirdo ass Perez Hilton-media, 10th Wonder circus freak family (who is basically free communicable disease to anybody who catches it) is something he personally wanted nothing a part of, inarguably for damn good reason. Sometimes being rational saves your ass from everyone else's bullshyt they love to get you emotionally entangled in.


It's not just music, but also your personal lives and business too.


Trends come and go, yet someone like him gets ragged on for keeping other's trends alive at times (only to not get thanked at all for it, bitter ass rappers) and the instances where he has done his own things, everyone didn't support it. Look where he is now, to this day Biggie stans will verbally shyt out this conjecture, "If Biggie never died, he wouldn't had a career", hell why don't they say for everybody after Biggie died?

Last time I checked, did Biggie even own his masters at the time before his own death?
How many other rappers did Puffy swindle for his own gain, until it's common sense that anybody under his supervision was gonna get double penetrated on music contracts?


If Biggie was still alive, nobody would've wanted his drama to fukk up their artistry deals and businesses. It's a miracle any East Coast Rap artists were able to survive in the 00's, considering how many got overlooked.

 

[Self_Born7]

jay z, every time that name pop up... I think about what could've been if he didn't snitch to the cacs about starting our own distribution company

 

[Murkman]

who are these industry people? ...... what team did he hop too?? aint he still signed to the Roc...

lol.... dudes hate to see a black man win.... its like yall hypnotised with hatred...

All the industry who he avoided getting fukked over in their own bullshyt, which we witnessed unravel at one point.
Didn't Wu make "Protect Ya Neck" for that very goddamn reason?????

Just look how Dipset turned out, Cam brougth that failure his own crew.
Last year, it's been a decade and Budden is still mad at him for dropping his generic Easy Bake wannabe-commercial contributions to his label. He mentioned that in "Makin' A Murderer" and what reason was there to lump him and Drake together as if they're remotely comparable?

Him and Hov came from the same exact era in the 00's, yet one of them knew how to run a fukking label and get their careers back together. He can't baby sit all these immature, overemotional grown pieces of shyt who are responsible for their own careers. What more do they want from this nikka? Monopoly money?



[[[VIDEO]] Calvin Klein Remembers Hustling with Jay-Z

How much yourself do you have to give away, until everyone clowns you for being too generous?



I know for a fact if another NY Rap artist came up with Tidal these nikkas would swear to Nations of Gods and Earths, that "saved the music industry of Hip-Hop".

 

[RAW_SPK]

You spelled powerful wrong. /thread.

Beat me to it

 

[Murkman]

but true power lets the people decide

With the way fanbases have been ruining Rap for the past decade and half, you might want to heavily revise that loaded statement. Especially, with how all these "Mumble Rap" lucky charm colored hair nikkas are tarnishing whatever credibility this generation has left. Social media has way too much power these days in determining who gets a Rap career.

Too many times have "The people" lost sight of what they wanted to become trendy in Rap, look at the culture now.

Trap beats and triplet flows have obviously showed "the people" doesn't know where to allocate that "true power" into supporting something remarkably game changing. If every Mainstream Rap artist has done that (and they have tried their hands at it) and you hear the Independent Rap artists even falling for that, then the problem is much worse than whenever it began to take hold.

 

[ABlackMan]

Hip hop is dead.